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[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. fluors

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    Edited To Add: That's NOT what's happening here.
     
  2. Kiddsir

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    Be careful Lin Fans(not only), when Clutch put this kind of articles, Lin is a goner for sure.LOL
     
  3. Hardensway

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    Wow, if clutch started this, then it's clear Lin will either be relegated even more than already or is a definite trade. Lol. Hopefully it's a trade. Save money for other players.
     
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  5. Zboy

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    Why Clutch?? Why???

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  6. archinkent

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    As a fan of Lin, I am fine with Bev starting (one of my favourite players too) and Lin coming off the bench. But what I can't stand is people asking him to traded constantly when he is not playing well. That is just absurd.
     
  7. Xepa

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    This. There's clearly an agenda to piss off people with the tone of the article. And to come from the administrator who no one can stand up against is even worse.
     
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    Got to hell LOF's. You racist SOB's.
     
  9. equinoxin

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    you're forgetting that of the games lin were starting, brooks was the backup(who was hurt in the last few games). of the games beverly were starting he has a better backup in lin, and better time sharing.

    can't believe people are throwing lin under the bus for what he did last year, that was awesome basketball.
     
  10. tellitlikeitis

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    Oh, there's an agenda? What is it?
     
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    It's a great article, and I really agree with this comment.

    I must admit that at first, I didn't agree with McHale's decision. But I think it is less about who is the better player, Bev or Lin, it's about fit, as Clutch writes. And when I watched several games, it seemed to me that Lin and Harden are just too similar, with Harden obviously being better. Lin then tries to fit in and defers, and that takes away his main strength, which is the ability to attack. It seems like he defers and starts overthinking stuff sometimes when he is paired with Harden. It's still not terrible, but it just seems that Harden and Bev are a better match.

    As many here, I like Lin a lot. I also happen to think that he is a big asset to our team. But he is best in - as some have mentioned - the Ginobili role. It's a very important role on our team.

    I would ideally like to see the minutes at the guard positions distributed as follows:

    Harden 38
    Bev 28
    Lin 30

    ...with Lin playing the minutes at SG when Harden is not on the court, and with the occasional minutes shaved off here and there for Brooks and Garcia.

    P.S.: This guy has been incredibly annoying on this thread:

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  12. bro2044

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    lol'd
     
  13. srrm

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    This post is completely and utterly wrong, devoid of any hope of bringing to reality.

    This post, even more than the post you quoted, really shows the value and need of an education and maturity.
     
  14. Dementium

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    Its nowhere as clear as its made out to be. Yesterday's game was arguably Bev's best game of the season, but its just one game. If Lin had the same statline as Bev yesterday it would have been dismissed as just an above average game by Lin.

    Just a few games back against Boston Lin played extremely well. Can I use that game to say Lin is clearly the better starter? I don't believe this myth that Lin doesn't play well next to Harden. How about the first two games last season? How about that game against OKC when both of them went off?

    We had arguably the best back court in the NBA last season and suddenly this season the narrative is that one of the players in that backcourt doesn't fit? How does that make sense?

    For me I don't really care if Lin starts or not. But his minutes and playtime IMO should be more than Bev. As for numbers, here is the numbers.

    Lin playing 30 minutes or more - 15-6
    Bev playing 30 minutes or more - 8-9

    Bev is a good player, and I love it when he plays together with Lin. But IMO he isn't the game changer Lin is.
     
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    Here is what I find amusing about the Lin nut huggers.

    They are so obsessed with him starting that they are blinded to whats good for him.

    Lin will have more opportunities to handle the ball and create, which is the stronger part of his game, when he comes of the bench vs when he starts. If he starts, he will have to compete more with Harden for that role.

    Dont the Lin fans NOT want to give him better opportunities to succeed?

    The collective inferiority complex suffered by the Lin fans is off the charts.
     
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    The good news if we trade him to Boston is we won't have to face him this year
     
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    They live vicariously through him. That's the problem. They care more about his image than anything else.
     
  18. Amel

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    Clutch just saying what every normal poster on this board thinks. Lin is a nice kid, but not built to play high quality basketball. I feel bad for the kid, I do. He is so soft mentally that he gets lost on the court and runs the floor like a headless chicken. There have been so many days where I was wishing for Lin to bust out and start cursing and punching opponents. But forget it, he will be spit on and still shake hands, thats who he is as a person. He will be a thrid string PG and still thank God for being part of the team. I hope he finds a place where he can be himself, but Houston isnt it.
     
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  19. Dementium

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    Its a valid question. Instead of bringing him off the bench, how about just staggering his minutes with Harden? It isn't as clearcut as its made out to be.

    As with any topic they are points of discussion to this. But anyone who makes a post regarding this is immediately labeled and dismissed. If you don't agree with an opinion I think its fine, but around here the labels fly and the quality of the discussion takes a nosedive.

    Clutch stated his opinion, and I respect that. I just happen to disagree.
     
  20. Classic

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    As for the bolded, you're creating your own narrative. The narrative is not that Lin doesn't fit, it's that he's best utilized with the bench.

    Next, regarding minutes, no one is advocating that Lin be relegated to some reduced minutes situation and that Bev deserves all the minutes.

    Quite the contrary. You obviously haven't been watching but Bev sets a tone defensively. He is a ball hawk and is an X factor on the defensive end and when rebounding. He impacts the whole team. He creates an identity Bev is great for that X factor especially with this being a younger team needing leadership. Lin is great as a change of pace guard and better suited playing against back ups where he can shine and when his defensive shortcomings aren't as noticed because his matchup is a scrub.

    You guys getting your panties in a bunch over this analysis obviously have the agenda and see things through a fan boy lens. It's paththetic and you're just embarrassing yourselves with your lack of knowledge of the game and specifically this team.
     

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