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Grantland journalist outs transgendered person, who then commits suicide

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Commodore, Jan 19, 2014.

  1. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Dr. V’s Magical Putter — a mysterious inventor who built a 'scientifically superior
    golf club, by <a href="https://twitter.com/calebhannan">@calebhannan</a> <a href="http://t.co/X8wMDfoA8N">http://t.co/X8wMDfoA8N</a></p>&mdash; Grantland (@Grantland33) <a href="https://twitter.com/Grantland33/statuses/423469676925313025">January 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  2. Dairy Ashford

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    Reads more like they outed an inveterate liar.
     
  3. RedDynasty

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    Freaking awful.

    The author comes across as a complete dick and shows abosolutely no remorse in essentially killing a human being (and a troubled one, at that).

    And for what? A better news story?

    It was uncalled for to go against the subject's wishes and write a very personal piece on information that was clearly not meant to be made public.

    This is absolutely sickening.
     
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    And by the way, let me clarify my previous post, I understand outing Dr. V as a liar, that's justified. Clearly you can't keep the lying a secret.

    But the transgender outing is what bothers me. What is at all necessary to reveal that piece of information?
     
  5. Commodore

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    Well the subject used that female name (Vanderbilt) to defraud investors. It would be difficult to discuss the identity change (from a male to female name) and leave out the transgendered aspect.
     
  6. Svpernaut

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    The guy killed himself. Was it a dick move to out him? Sure, but committing suicide is the fault of the person who did it - and no one else. Even if he had mental health issues which lead to it, he made the conscious decision to kill himself.
     
  7. RedDynasty

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    This is true, I retract that statement. Was scratching my head reading my own post over again ha. Didn't mean to work it like that.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    he posted this article, that outs Dr. V, after the suicide correct ( as the suicide is mentioned in the article)? The title of the thread suggests otherwise. I would find it very difficult to blame the author for the suicide if he had yet to act. I would find it difficult to blame the author even if the article had come out beforehand.
     
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  9. Dairy Ashford

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    She knew the article was coming out, and what it would say about her. So from a timing standpoint the suicide could have been a result of the article. Of course, she probably killed herself for being exposed as a comprehensive fraud; or for the all-consuming self loathing that spawned that behavior in the first place.
     
  10. Dairy Ashford

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    For a remotely credible news story, the only justification for months of work or the paycheck on continued employment that comes with it.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    I guess this is where we watch Commodore intervene on the side of the pathological liar and place this in D&D? Is that what this is? YAYAYYAY cool.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    Did you not read the thread? he already proved your comment wrong
     
  13. SamFisher

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    No I didn't read the thread at all. Why would I do that? :confused:
     
  14. Dairy Ashford

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    I think we can forget our respective alignments for this particular story. It's an interesting enough story to merit serious discussion, and I think Commodore's OP was meant to introduce the topic and its most attention grabbing details rather than take a particular side.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    I don't know, you may be right - maybe we'll leave it to the Commodore to clarify with his signature brand of exposition.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/SaltPotatoes">@SaltPotatoes</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/calebhannan">@calebhannan</a> A putter. The public had the right to the truth.....about a putter.</p>&mdash; Dave Zirin (@EdgeofSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/EdgeofSports/statuses/424651700864319489">January 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    Theres a tasteless quip to be had with that, but too soon to make it if at all.
     
  18. tallanvor

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    do they have the right to know about a dishonest business man who lied to investors?
     
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    Very interesting article that could have been written with a little more sadness and remorse (his attempts didn't really do it for me). While Dr. V was troubled and was leading a conflicted and desperate life, the author clearly played an indirect role in her suicide, and he came off rather unapologetic about it.

    I also think the transgender part was a little overblown, especially with the way he revealed it, and it ended up overshadowing Dr. V's lies about her past.

    EDIT: Sheez, the hypocrisy of the people attacking him on twitter is incredible. https://twitter.com/search?q=@calebhannan&src=typd&f=realtime
     
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  20. Svpernaut

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    I don't know... I truly just don't know how people can blame someone else for a suicide. Unless they put a loaded gun in their hand or slid the noose around their neck, they aren't any more responsible then any other ******* they crossed in their lives.

    **** happens, that's life. We all go through stuff that sometimes might mean it is easier to just check out - but grow up and take responsibility. Several of my extended family members have committed suicide in the past, and I don't feel sorry for them - I'm pissed at them for being weak and taking the easy way out while their loved ones have to pick up the pieces. But that's just me.

    I know depression and mental illness isn't an easily quantifiable subject matter - I've just always viewed suicide as a cowardice act regardless of circumstance.
     

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