Retired cop guns down man for texting at Florida movie

This is true.

 

Did he mock the shooter or was he trying to explain himself?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/14/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/

 

I'm sure management will take this issue seriously in the future if they want to keep their business.

 

If everyone in the theater was armed, this would not have happened

 

This is why lightsabers are much better than guns.

 

No one deserves to die over being a jack ass but i'm sure the old man (especially at his age) lost patience and got so pissed off he just took action, the wrong action. But, I think this could happen to any of us who could lose our cool. I driven down the neighborhood before and kids playing on the street won't move, one time this kid stepped out of the way real slowly than looked and me say " well go man, hurry up" something like that. At the moment I wanted to floor it and run over his ass or get out of my car and body slam him. Yeah, I'm in my 30s and this is some 12 year old kid being a little punk, hell yeah I wanted to hurt this stupid dip ****. I didn't because I have too much to lose to be thrown in jail over this but if your 73, you may not give a ****.

 

It reminds me of Michael Douglas in Falling Down. Just got tired of assholes in society that don't know how to act.

 

Here is another article that brings up some good points:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/...-your-ground-defense-why-didnt-he-move-seats/

I bolded some things in the article that I thought were major points. I also gave my own observations prior to the article.

1. The Judge and Sherif do not believe "Stand Your Ground" defense applies in this case.

2. A high profile independent attorney not associated with the shooter believes that "Stand Your Ground" does apply and will be in play when the trial starts

3. Both men, Reeves and Oulson were absolute ass whole jerks. The article points out that the theater was basically empty. While I have said many times that Oulson should have either quit texting or taken his texting to the lobby, the article points out that if Reeves was being disturbed, there are any number of seats far away from Oulson he could have moved to.

4. It is a felony offense in the state of Florida to strike someone over the age of 65 with something as small as a marshmallow. Oulson committed a felony against Reeves prior to being shot and killed.

5. It's pretty clear that the case is eventually going to revolve around if Reeves had reason to fear for the safety of himself or his wife. Can the defense convince the jury that there was Reeves had reasonable cause to fear for his safety?

if the law is on your side pound the law, if the facts are on your side pound the facts, if neither are on your side pound the table - Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz

Reeves attorney will clearly pound the law. It doesn't matter what started the argument, all that matters is that a 43 year old man (looks to be well over 65) stood up and made a physically aggressive move towards a 71 year old man. Throwing popcorn in his face by itself was a felony and Reeves had reasonable cause to be afraid of what might come next and by the law had just cause to use deadly force against Oulson. Per the law he was not required to leave his seat and go to another seat or retreat.

Oulson's attorney will pound the facts. It was an empty theater and Reeves could have moved. The bag of popcorn does not constitute a lethal weapon. Reeves, at 71, does not look like some defenseless scared old man, he looks like a pretty good sized guy himself in his picture. Reeves is clearly on some kind of crusade against texting in theaters, this is not his first incident with a tester in a theater.

I don't think this is going to be an open and shut case and I think Reeves has a legit chance of getting off. Thats just my opinion and does not reflect what I think is right. Having said that, I think the fact that the Judge denied bail and does not think "Stand Your Ground" applies in this case does not bode well for Reeves. When this case is over I think Reeves goes to jail but I will not be shocked at the outcome regardless what happens.

Being a jury in this case is not going to be easy because they are going to have to determine in many instances, what exactly the facts are. Based on what they determine are the facts will likely determine if "Stand Your Ground" applies to this case. A good judge will keep the jurors between the lines and give them the legal guidelines to follow while they make their decision. If the rare cases the judge can set aside the verdict if he feels the legal guidelines while making their decision.

 

By the way, I haven't seen a picture of Reeves posted. This is the only one I could find. Oulson looks well over 6' in the pictures that I have seen but in this pic, Reeves looks like a pretty big dud as well. I absolutely think this works against Reeves in a court case if the defense is going to try and convince that Reeves was a defenseless old man.

More facts for the prosecution to pound on. Reeves looks to be in pretty damn good shape for 71 and he is not exactly small. Toss in the fact that he likely has quite a bit of police training, it may not be reasonable to conclude he was ever in any serious danger from Oulson.

 

Man, f*** Florida.

 

If this guy gets off, I think it will be fair to say that shooting unarmed people has pretty much become legal (in Florida at least).

Just say you thought you felt you were in danger.

Pretty scary.

 

Why isit a problem if a guy is texting during a movie. How does that bother someone else?

 

He was not in any danger whatsoever, to a degree that it would justify shooting the other guy. It's ridiculous to even consider that.

 

Yeah right Perry Mason LOL

 

Absolutely. And now we get this wonderful backtrack from Crash5934 after he spent the large majority of his posts trying to justify a shooting by focusing completely on how much of an "absolute ass" the victim was- oh, yeah, he threw in a crumb or two about the victim, but anyone with a 3rd grade or higher education could see right through that s**t- totally agree, no justification- the witness agreed to that and so did the arresting officers. Guy still has to be tried and have his day in court, but unless there was a deadly object in that bucket of popcorn, perpetrator is f****d.

 

Why is everyone assumming the texter is an *******? He was texting during the previews. The old dude seems like the micromanaging control freak. The kinda guy to pull a gun over this is obviously the *******. If you read about reeves he has a history of being a control freak.

 

Hey Jack Ass, find one single post where I said the shooter was justified. Continue to discredit yourself by fabricating crap that was never posted. Your an idiot and that is not a fabrication.

By the way, no back tracking from me. Oulson was an inconsiderate ass that very likely could have prevented the shooting with a little consideration for those around him. I guessing with you limited knowledge of the english language, you confuse that statement with me claiming the shooter was justified. Here is some advice for you, finish your grade school education and move out of the mountains of West Virginia because your reading comprehension sucks.

 

Speak for yourself, this couldn't happen to any of us. Some of us don't have anger problems and get so offended at every little thing. You sound like a monster, wanting to hurt a child?! Do you even remember what it was like to be that age? You didn't hurt him because YOU have too much to lose? How selfish is that. You should not want to hurt him so that HE doesn't get hurt.

I'm only 21 so I still remember what it was like to be that age. When I was 13 my friends and I pranked at a church festival by getting two litter soda bottles and making them explode on the ground. Some over macho nerdy looking 30 something guy chased us both down tackled us hard and hit us in the back of the head. All the mothers and women around freaked out at him and stuck up for us! Once cops came they got more mad at him then they were at us for pranking.

Remember to show patience with kids. Some older people forget what it was like.

 

It's not reasonable to expect to get shot for texting during a movie, or even arguing with someone (or throwing popcorn at them). So yeah, since the result was something *no one* could have foreseen, he couldn't really have prevented it. You're placing responsibility on the victim, which by default removes responsibility from the perpetrator. Not ok.