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Mel Kiper has Texans taking Johnny Manziel #1

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  1. endoftheworld

    endoftheworld Member

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    You better be confident showing up to the combine if you want to throw then lol
     
  2. Remii

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    All of that doesn't make him a duel threat QB. And yes I have seen Bridgewater play. And the two games that are stuck in my head is the games against Florida and UH and neither one of those games say "draft me with the #1 overall pick" IMO. Plus his arm strength is in question. And that's probably why it's being reported that some teams consider Bridgewater a 2nd round pick and not a 1st round pick.
     
  3. endoftheworld

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    His arm strength is fine, he has velocity on his short to intermediate throws. Bridgewater issue it that he has too much touch.

    His arm is stronger than Johnny's (not by much though) He has a good-great arm

    Check this out, has all of Bridgewater's film.
    http://draftbreakdown.com/the-right-comparison-for-bridgewater/

    That UH defense is 20th ranked and Bortles had a pick and a fumble against them while posting similar yards with a worse completion percentage
     
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  4. Fulgore

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    I agree. Stats would have been a lot better in a spread but he is better prepared for the pros in the Louisville system
     
  5. endoftheworld

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    I don't want a dual threat, I want a guy who can throw and make plays from the pocket and not RG3 himself
     
  6. Panda23

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    Uhhhh Manziel is incredibly athletic in terms of his agility/evasiveness and down-field speed.
     
  7. endoftheworld

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    Exactly, what impresses me more so is that he runs the offense, a la Luck and Manning (at Tennessee)

    If he was 6'4 220lb, no questions would be asked
     
  8. endoftheworld

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    Elite gifts:

    cannon for an arm

    4.4 speed

    those types of gifts

    Manziel does not have a cannon arm nor does he run a 4.4
     
  9. The Real Shady

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    Bridgewater's arm is fine and is NFL caliber, but if you really watch the highlights Manziel has more zip on the mid to long throws. I'm fine with either except Bortles.. unless we trade down and pick Bortle.
     
  10. endoftheworld

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    I think Manziel has better technique on his deeper balls

    Bridgewater tends not use his lower body in his throws (very correctable, should be done by his pro day)
     
  11. J.R.

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    Kiper mock draft 1.0 of:

    2013
    1. KC - Luke Joeckel
    2. JAX - Damontre Moore
    3. OAK - Star Lotulelei
    4. PHI - Dee Milliner
    5. DET - Jarvis Jones
    6. CLE - Bjoern Werner
    7. ARI - Chance Warmack
    8. BUF - Manti Te'o
    9. NYJ - Barkevious Mingo
    10. TEN - Dion Jordan
    11. SD - Eric Fisher
    12. MIA - Cordarrelle Patterson
    13. TB - Alec Ogletree
    14. CAR - Sheldon Richardson
    15. NO - Johnathan Hankins
    16. STL - Kenny Vaccaro
    17. PIT - Ezekiel Ansah
    18. DAL - Jonathan Cooper
    19. NYG - Sam Montgomery
    20. CHI - Tyler Eifert
    21. CIN - Montee Ball
    22. STL - D.J. Fluker
    23. MIN - Terrance Williams
    24. IND - Menelik Watson
    25. SEA - John Jenkins
    26. GB - Zach Ertz
    27. HOU - Keenan Allen
    28. DEN - Xavier Rhodes
    29. BAL - Kevin Minter
    30. SF - Sharrif Floyd
    31. NE - DeAndre Hopkins
    32. ATL - Margus Hunt

    2012
    1. IND -Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
    2. STL - Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma St.
    3. MIN - Matt Kalil, OT, USC
    4. CLE - Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
    5. TB - Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
    6. WAS - Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
    7. JAC - Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
    8. CAR - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
    9. MIA - Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
    10. BUF - Courtney Upshaw, LB, Alabama
    11. KC - Devon Still, DT, Penn St.
    12. SEA - Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
    13. ARI - Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
    14 DAL - David DeCastro, OG, Stanford
    15. PHI - Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
    16. NYJ - Mark Barron, S, Alabama
    17. CIN (from Oakland) - Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
    18. SD - Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia
    19. CHI - Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
    20. TEN - Nick Perry, DE, USC
    21. CIN - Lamar Miller, RB, Miami (Fla.)
    22. CLE (from Atlanta) - Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
    23. DET - Zach Brown, LB, North Carolina
    24. PIT - Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
    25. DEN - Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St.
    26. HOU - Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
    27. NE (from Saints) - Michael Brockers, DL, LSU
    28. GB - Whitney Mercilus, LB, Illinois
    29. NYG - Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida St.
    30. BAL - Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona St.
    31. SF - Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
    32. NE - Andre Branch, LB, Clemson

    2011
    1. CAR - Nick Fairley
    2. DEN - Patrick Peterson
    3. BUF - Marcell Dareus
    4. CIN - Da'Quan Bowers
    5. ARI - Blaine Gabbert
    6. CLE - A.J. Green
    7. SF - Robert Quinn
    8. TEN - Von Miller
    9. DAL - Prince Amukamara
    10. WAS - Cam Newton
    11. HOU - Aldon Smith
    12. MIN - Nate Solder
    13. DET - Akeem Ayers
    14. STL - Julio Jones
    15. MIA - Mark Ingram
    16. JAC - Adrian Clayborn
    17. NE - J.J. Watt
    18. SD - Cameron Jordan
    19. NYG - Mike Pouncey
    20. TB - Ryan Kerrigan
    21. KC - Stephen Paea
    22. IND - Anthony Castonzo
    23. PHI - Gabe Carimi
    24. NO - Justin Houston
    25. SEA - Ryan Mallett
    26. BAL - Brandon Harris
    27. ATL - Torrey Smith
    28. NE - Mikel Leshoure
    29. GB - Christian Ballard
    30. NYJ - Muhammad Wilkerson
    31. CHI - Aaron Williams
    32. PIT - Tyron Smith

    2010
    1. STL - Ndamukong Suh
    2. DET - Gerald McCoy
    3. TB - Eric Berry
    4. WAS - Sam Bradford
    5. KC - Russell Okung
    6. SEA - Derrick Morgan
    7. CLE - Joe Haden
    8. OAK - Anthony Davis
    9. BUF - Jimmy Clausen
    10. DEN - Dez Bryant
    11. JAC - Jason Pierre-Paul
    12. MIA - Rolando McClain
    13. SF - Trent Williams
    14. SEA - C.J. Spiller
    15. NYG - Carlos Dunlap
    16. SF - Earl Thomas
    17. TEN - Everson Griffen
    18. PIT - Bryan Bulaga
    19. ATL - Sergio Kindle
    20. HOU - Brian Price
    21. CIN - Aaron Hernandez
    22. NE - Ricky Sapp
    23. GB - Taylor Mays
    24. PHI - Navorro Bowman
    25. BAL - Jermaine Gresham
    26. ARI - Dan Williams
    27. DAL - Bruce Campbell
    28. SD - Jonathan Dwyer
    29. NYJ - Golden Tate
    30. MIN - Patrick Robinson
    31. NO - Jared Odrick
    32. IND - Brandon Graham

    2009
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  12. ipaman

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    If you knew Manziel would turn into Jeff Garcia would you take that?
     
  13. rezdawg

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    But as far as QBs are concerned, if you're bringing up speed and arm strength...I'd say Manziel is tops in both categories for this draft (within the top 3 guys). Of course, I think the edge goes to TB from a mental perspective...but that's why I think TB is the safer choice while Manziel has the higher potential. If Manziel gets the mental part down, his physical abilities will take him to the top.
     
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  14. Fullcourt

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    Would I know what Teddy and Bortles would turn into? In either case, no.
     
  15. Two Sandwiches

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    I don't see how anyone can single out the Florida game as to why Teddy is not worthy of a high pick. By all accounts, from everyone I've heard, and by my account from watching that game, Teddy was absolutely amazing in it. I think even more so than his bowl game this year. The drive near the beginning of the game where he takes the huge (illegal) hit from John Bostick particularly sticks out in my mind.
     
  16. Dubious

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    Always remember, the entertainment business is all about eyeballs and clicks. Putting out more controversial information (whether you actually believe it or not) or presenting information in a more 'hyped' manner will earn you more attention than possibly saying what you believe or saying it in a dry factual way. The bank thermometer says 104, Obama is a socialist Hitler, the stock market is headed on a one way trip to 20,000 .... nobody cares or remembers that you said some goofy **** as long as you keep entertaining them.

    In America it's the entertainment value that earns popularity, not competence or truth.
    TEBOW!
     
  17. Harrisment

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    Good stuff. I especially like how he has Gabbert taken several spots above Cam, and gushes over how NFL ready he is. Seeing how off early mocks are really puts things into perspective. By April we may be looking at someone who is completely off the radar now.
     
  18. htown1984

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    Would be intersting to see What he has Mocked in his last NFL Mock Drafts..
     
  19. Dubious

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    I don't know the mathematical terms for it but even the best mocks are dependent on some pretty basic variables that make them unpredictable. If Oakland or Arizona makes some illogical pick early in the draft, it effects every pick after that. You can't allow for the vagaries of individual human perception, like, Al Davis always opting for speed ovcr football skills.

    If a team makes an unexpected pick, everything following will be wrong. I think Mr.McNair's penchant for cocks, er, Gamecocks, should not be discounted when predicting the #1 pick.
     
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  20. endoftheworld

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    Bridgewater, Bortles, Jimmy G, Matthews, Mettenberger, Boyd, and arguably Murrah have stronger arms than Manziel

    Manizel is clearly the fastest/quickest qb though
     

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