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Good News: Pressure increasing on Israeli Policies

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, Dec 11, 2013.

  1. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    I didn't mean you by wanting to kill Jews. I meant a way too large part of the indoctrinated population of its neighboring countries.
     
  2. glynch

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    Folks argue about whether Israel is a democracy or has Apartheid or whether there is essentially one state.

    It seems that Jewish Israelis pretty much have a democracy with free speech and you are probably no more likely to be imprisoned for free speech or have restrictions in movement or your civil rights than American. You do I believe have to prove at times that you have such Jewish Israeli status and are restricted from going into the West Bank and Gaza.

    Palestinian Israeli citizens have a status fairly close to that of American blacks in states such as Mississippi, prior to the Civil Rights Movement. Some ways better and some ways worse.

    The rest of the Palestinians in the area are essentially governed by Israel, (tried in Israeli Courts or Israeli military courts for many crimes etc.), subject to control that is actually worse than Apartheid. They are allowed to have some local rule, e.g. Gaza and the West Bank, but are bombed, invaded or imprisoned if they ever overstep the limits granted to such local rule.
     
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    That's a nice story, already been told by Arab propaganda.

    Let's stick to facts next time.
    Its much better to first understand the true meaning of the word apertheid, before writing it in the wrong context.

    Arabs israelis are equall sitizens in everything.
    blacks in the u.s and south Africa were far from been equall.

    Palestinians are under their own regime.
    Israel is not in gaza or the west bank, only in the border crossing, preventing attacks on the country and illegal acces, just like every other country.
     
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    I refute this claim. Can you provide facts (with links) that show "Israel is not in the West Bank?"

    Otherwise, claiming to be a champion of the "facts" and then immediately making a factually inaccurate statement discredits everything you're trying to achieve.
     
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    What I meant and wrote is that the palestinians are under their own regim. Israel dosent control Palestinian cities in gaza or in the west bank.
    Cities like ramallah, jenin, gaza city and more are under the Palestinian authority and Hamas, and not under Israel control.

    read the context that I wrote it about.
    The so called apartheid. When their cities are under the Palestinian authority controll.

    their headquarters are in Ramallah and they controll their cities.

    Jenin:
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenin

    "jenin is under the administration of the palestinian authority"

    just cheak for yourself who is in control of the Palestinian cities.
     
  6. glynch

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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    Full article:

    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-...mbassador-over-pension-fund-divestment-337754
     
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  12. glynch

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    Mathloom.

    This is truly good news. As actions like this grow Israelis will have to come to terms with their Apartheid like state and grant human and civil rights to the Palestinians they control. It will be a great relief to the Palestinians, and it will save the soul of the Jewish Israelis..

    Once some major US pension funds and companies get on board we will start seeing rapid progress and a start on decreasing some of the violence in the Middle East. It will also be good to refocus Israel from continuing to use their lobby to get us into Middle East wars which most Americans are sick up.

    Let me clear AIPAC and the rest of the Jewish lobby is certainly not the only reason we go to war in the Middle East, but they certainly are one pretty important factor. See right now how desperate they are for us not to have improved ties with Iran.
     
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    from mondoweiss.net a very good site which follows events in Israel from a progressive Jewish point of view.

    As an aside if any of you are lovers of hummus. Boycott Sabra brand hummus. It is widely available in Houston and is from Israel. To be most effective all goods and services should be boycotted from even mainstream Israel which has built the settlements and keeps building them.
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    The Associated Press reports that the success of the international boycott movement is starting to squeeze Israeli settlements in the Jordan Valley:

    An international campaign to boycott Israeli settlement products has rapidly turned from a distant nuisance into a harsh economic reality for Israeli farmers in the West Bank’s Jordan Valley.

    The export-driven income of growers in the valley’s 21 settlements dropped by more than 14 percent, or $29 million, last year, largely because Western European supermarket chains, particularly those in Britain and Scandinavia, are increasingly shunning the area’s peppers, dates, grapes and fresh herbs, settlers say.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/israeli-settlement-international.html
     
  14. Mathloom

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    That last article was fantastic news if true/accurate. A 14% decline in income is a serious blow to the settlement economy. I hope that, as people see that these measures are effective, they will continue to squeeze.

    I hope it starts convincing people to keep out of the settlements. Nevermind the legality of it, the children of settlers should not have to endure living in such a dangerous place and being subjected to hateful culture on both sides.
     
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    I love Sabra hummus! My sister probably buys a container a week!
     
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    OP seems very anti-Semitic. What did the Israeli people ever do to you?
     
  17. kingdragon22

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    I already posted it in this thred.
    if you truly wants to boycut Israel, try going all the way.
    and boycut all the companies that have big research centers in Israel.
    many of their new hi technologies are invented there.

    you only wants to boycutt Israel when it suits you.
    small Israel is contributing to mankind more than the entire Arab countries.


    i tend to have an eye for Palestinian products and tech startups as a result...

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardb...inians-closer/[/QUOTE]


    speaking about startups...

    http://news.yahoo.com/israel-39-moto...--finance.html


    Israel is investing 430 million dollars in developing battery and biofuel technologies. One of the startups named co2fuel is going to turn the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide into a useful fuel gas mixture called syngas.

    so the aim is almost not to relay on oil anymore and to reducse the greenhouse effect in the process.

    Israeli Researcher Discovers Cell-Destroying Protein That May Help Eradicate Cancer.

    http://nocamels.com/2013/09/israeli-researcher-discovers-cell-destroying-protein-that-may-help-eradicate-cancer/

    the country that you want to boycutt is trying to invent things that actually not include trigger and a bomb, and blowing yourself in mass innocent crowd.

    Instead Israel is trying to help reduce the greenhouse effect and to find a cure to cancer, such a bad country, you chose to pick on.

    please go all the way and don't use.

    cell phone - it was developed in Israel by Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

    USB flash drive

    The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel

    Voice mail technology

    Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.

    for gamers: All the face recognition technology being used with Kinect was developed in Israel. Please don't use it.


    An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale
    solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in
    southern California's Mojave desert."

    solar hot water system

    Drip irrigation

    too many invention in medicine to count, including many of the crucial parts of MRI and ct.

    just look it up.

    The Middle East has had 20 Nobel laureates: 12 Israelis, four Egyptians, one Palestinian, one Iranian, one Turk and one Yemeni.

    were talking about a country at the size of new jerzy, with only 8 million citizens.
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    He was brought up to think that Jews are the root of all evil. He posted this here, which at least was honest.
     
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  20. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    I'm not sure you're grasping the idea here. The idea is, in fact, to boycott Israel as much or as little as it suits the affected parties.

    If there are things produced in Israel which are unique and necessary, then those things are unlikely to get boycotted. Everything else is more likely to get boycotted.

    There's no need to go "all the way" especially if, as you describe, doing so would be detrimental to everyone else. The point is to extract as much as possible and give as little as possible in order to crush the attractiveness of participating specifically in Israeli policies which most people in the world view as unacceptable.

    Obviously, that's subjective and therefore the results will be subjective. For some people, they see nothing wrong. Others only have a problem with settlements. Then there's the group that has a problem with the larger Israeli policies. BDS can't dictate the exact parameters of suitability, so what will happen extremely slowly is that there will be an organic grass-roots allocation of (for lack of better words) economic justice.

    I understand that the lack of consistency in BDS gives the appearance of hypocrisy at first glance and I agree with you to an extent. But to impose the standard of "going all the way" would be imposing beliefs onto people when the spirit of BDS is to voluntarily and subjectively reduce the economic viability of Israeli policies - and in that regard, it seems to be showing early signs of success although there has to be a more concrete trend before pro-BDSers can start celebrating.
     

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