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Is Johnny Football the Pick We Are Missing?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by solid, Dec 18, 2013.

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  1. ima_drummer2k

    ima_drummer2k Member

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    It's getting to the point where I'm just going to wait for the combine to decide (since my decision is SO important). There are way too many variables right now to get a good feel (level of competition, offensive system, level of teammates, etc.)

    The draft is a long way away. Probably a good thing.
     
  2. SWTsig

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    no, ima... you must decide NOW.

    either **** on the pot or get out of the way!
     
  3. bigtexxx

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    Johnny did MUCH better vs. Auburn than Winston did. Winston looked awful
     
  4. thegary

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    i was taking a little interest in duke housing the aggies, because aggies are gross, but they panned to jff after yet another duke TD and he was pissed. he said something like, we're gonna get this back, f-them, wtvr. but it was the look in his eye. this was a pretty meaningless game but he had a look in his eyes that he was not gonna be denied, that he'd lay his life on the line to get it done. he's a ferocious competitor, can't teach that.
     
  5. Rocketman95

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    Meth is a helluva drug.
     
  6. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    His competitive spirit is unmatched right now. He did the same even in losses against Alabama and Auburn. Go watch the games, he never gave up.
     
  7. J.R.

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>BREAKING: Johnny Manziel has chosen <a href="https://twitter.com/SSGFootball">@SSGFootball</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/mavcarter">@mavcarter</a>, LeBron's business partner, to rep him for contract &amp; marketing.</p>&mdash; darren rovell (@darrenrovell) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/statuses/420679748591681537">January 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  8. htown1984

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    So hes declaring for sure...
     
  9. thegary

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    :confused:splain plz, no entiendo
     
  10. Indaface

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    One played in a home game before Auburn was on everybody's radar the other is in the National Championship game with 1,000,000 times more pressure.

    Different types of games but yea Johnny did look better.


    Since you seem to bash Bridgewater in his thread you can say using your analysis that Johnny looked awful against Florida last year and Bridgewater did MUCH better against them. Johnny looked awful.
     
  11. J.R.

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    The roster is big enough for two tiny quarterbacks. Put them in at the same time. Case can lift Johnny on his shoulders so he can see over the defense. They'll switch off when their legs tire.

    :cool:
     
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    You guys should just go for Johnny. I honestly don't see Bridgewater being that good whereas Johnny could be a star. You saw how good Case looked at times with his ability to extend and make plays. I think Johnny could be a better and more consistent version of that while also having the accuracy to be a pocket passer.
     
  14. solid

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    You know, sometimes you run onto a post that is genuinely funny and it is a pleasant surprise. Thanks.
     
  15. Angkor Wat

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    The Decision II

    Starring Johnny Football
     
  16. J.R.

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Once Manziel announces his intention today to enter this year's draft, the speculation officially starts for the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Browns&amp;src=hash">#Browns</a> to draft him.</p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/statuses/420959092446724096">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Has to have the right coaches, but he's the guy for the FO. RT <a href="https://twitter.com/therealtbone3">@therealtbone3</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl">@caplannfl</a> think that is the right choice for them at 4?</p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/statuses/420959629242159104">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>BOB prefers drop-back passers, size at QB. RT <a href="https://twitter.com/BPHTOWN">@BPHTOWN</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl">@caplannfl</a> You think he's off the Texans' board?</p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/statuses/420960321684004865">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>For those questioning whether the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Browns&amp;src=hash">#Browns</a> rumors on Manziel are legit this early, Lombardi can't help his obsession. Hoyer was it last yr.</p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/statuses/420961987506356225">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Made it first time I saw him play. Similar, yes. MT <a href="https://twitter.com/baybucs">@baybucs</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl">@caplannfl</a> I think a good comparison of Manizel would be that of Jeff Garcia</p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/statuses/420963133268566016">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  17. Uprising

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    Dude just has that fire in him. The passion to be a winner, and leader of a team to get them to step up their game. If only the Aggies could play any resemblance of a defense.

    I honestly am fine with who ever they choose to draft, but inside I feel that JFF has the ability to be great in the league. I don't want another QB who doesn't have the ceiling to be great, which is how I see Bridgwater.

    Like someone else said, could be a bust.....but could be the home run.
     
  18. J.R.

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    Now that he has declared...

    http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/81639/top-stats-to-know-manziels-nfl-profile

    What are the top stats to know with regard to how Johnny Manziel's stats rate in some key areas related to his NFL future?

    Improved Pocket Passing

    Manziel completed 73 percent of his passes from inside of the pocket this season, best among quarterbacks from BCS automatic-qualifier conferences (AQ conferences) and up four percentage points from last season.

    He completed at least 65 percent of his passes from inside of the pocket in every game but one this season.

    Downfield Success
    Manziel completed 48 percent of his passes thrown 25 yards or longer this season, up nine percentage points from last season and in the top 10 among AQ quarterbacks.

    Manziel had at least one such completion in every game that he started this season.

    In terms of comparisons to recent draft picks, among first round picks in 2011 and 2012, only Robert Griffin III had a higher completion percentage on passes of 25 yards or longer than Manziel in his final year of college. Griffin’s was a hair better -- 52 percent.

    Improvisation Skills
    Manziel had an AQ-high 589 rushing yards on scrambles this season, 95 more than any other AQ player.

    Since the start of last season …

    • Manziel has gained 1,393 yards and scored 15 touchdowns when scrambling, both of which rank best among AQ players.

    • Manziel has scrambled for 30 first downs on third down, 14 more than any other AQ player.

    • Manziel has completed 54 percent of his passes and is averaging 9.4 yards per attempt when forced to scramble out of the pocket.

    The AQ averages are 36 percent and 5.2 yards per attempt during that time. Manziel has 23 completions of 20 yards or longer in such situations, 13 more than any other AQ player.

    Making it count in tough situations
    Manziel has also excelled moving the chains with both his arm and his feet. Since the start of last season, he has the highest total QBR on third down and only Jordan Lynch has rushed for more yards on third down than Manziel.

    Manziel's 97.0 Total QBR and 53 percent first-down conversion rate in third-down situations among players active over both the last two seasons.

    Size
    A big concern about Manziel is his size. He is listed as 6-1, 210 pounds on Texas A&M’s roster.

    There are 12 active NFL quarterbacks listed as 6-1 or shorter and only four of them - Russell Wilson, Kellen Moore, Drew Brees and Case Keenum – are listed as weighting less than 210 pounds.

    Manziel’s small stature has not adversely impacted his ability to see the field.

    He has only had 12 of his 864 passes batted down at the line (1.4 percent). That is actually below the AQ average over the past two seasons (1.9 percent).

    Stat of the Day
    Manziel led the nation in opponent-adjusted QBR in 2012 (he finished a respectable sixth in 2013, and rates third-best over the last two seasons combined). That stat would be indicative of a reasonable chance of being an NFL starter. The three quarterbacks who finished No. 1 from 2009 to 2011 are among the NFL's best-- Colin Kaepernick, Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I'm not one who thinks that Manziel will fail in the NFL. He'll be somewhat system-dependent, but I like his chances in the right place.</p>&mdash; SI_DougFarrar (@SI_DougFarrar) <a href="https://twitter.com/SI_DougFarrar/statuses/420977372314095616">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Obviously I know there are concerns about Manziel but I love him as a player. I think he shines as a pro</p>&mdash; Jay Glazer (@JayGlazer) <a href="https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/statuses/420976360610611200">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Tweeted it last night, but my QB tiers are: Teddy (confident he'll be a quality starter) -Tier- Manziel, Bortles, Carr (After 1st rd grades)</p>&mdash; Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/statuses/420976445868216320">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Manziel has the most upside of any QB in this draft. Plenty of arm strength, accurate &amp; special playmaker..Size/durability is a concern</p>&mdash; Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/statuses/420976676978167808">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Same size as Russell Wilson. RT <a href="https://twitter.com/mikemaher_">@mikemaher_</a>: you think he can handle the nfl? He seems way too small.</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/statuses/420976797950304256">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Manziel toughed his way through several injuries this season. Can he last a 16 game sked w/ his style? That's the biggest concern <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NFLDraft&amp;src=hash">#NFLDraft</a></p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/statuses/420977195511582720">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Manziel won't be a fit for everyone, but that can be said for other QBs. Different animal, though. Improvisational skill reminds me of Romo.</p>&mdash; Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/statuses/420978562439843840">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Manziel's pocket movement is his gift and his curse, a term <a href="https://twitter.com/BeauxJaxson">@BeauxJaxson</a> has used. Absolutely improved as a passer this season.</p>&mdash; Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/statuses/420978751858819072">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I do question if Manziel has to have that bail out type WR, though. Not every team has one. He made Evans better, Evans made him better.</p>&mdash; Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/statuses/420978867177005056">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Johnny Manziel declares for the draft, but what's next? good to go (was in Stuck): <a href="http://t.co/IULr4KwSzG">http://t.co/IULr4KwSzG</a></p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/statuses/420979813588156416">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Manziel is a very quick decision maker off his improvisational movements. It is really impressive. But, again, movement can be his curse too</p>&mdash; Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/statuses/420979998586314753">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  20. justtxyank

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    I don't want to hear people say he's the same size as Russel Wilson. Size is more than height.

    Manziel is a shrimp.

    (I have no problem taking him if the Texans are sold on him)
     
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