Wade Phillips may be going to Denver Broncos as the new defensive coordinator

Where is Jack Del Rio going? What rumor is the hottest right now? Tennessee?

 

If they had signed peyton they would be considered a great defense.

 

You're right, I'm sure they would've forced 26 turnovers instead of 11 if Peyton Manning was the QB.

 

Last in the league in Red Zone defense. 29th in sacks (1 sack away from being last). Seriously, it was almost a Frank Bush level of sacks and Bush hardly ever blitzed.

Fewest takeaways in the history of the NFL.

People want to talk about the defense the year before Wade got here as being historically bad. And while it was definitely bad, it was never THE worst at anything. It wasn't even the worst for that year. But the 2013 D was THE WORST team EVER as far as forcing turnovers. Good defenses can't say that.

 

You lost most of your talent at turnover creating positions.

JJo, Manning, Quinn, Barwin, Williams, Cushing, Meco accounted for the turnovers that ranked 5th in 2011. Those are all turnover creating positions.

 

I guess we should've held onto Wade, right? He lost all of that talent and only tied the record for least amount of turnovers forced in a season.

 

4 teams in NFL history have allowed more passing yards than the 2010 Texans. When you get the ball just go deep even if your QB is Tebow or Sanchez.

The talent at turnover forcing positions fell off a cliff from 2013 to 2011. Reed was supposed to be the ball hawk, lulz.

Do you think he had talent on defense this year? I have a feeling many texans fans aren't really getting what positions force fumbles and intercept the ball.

 

Wade's defense was crap against good teams, even in that first year. Packers, Pats lit us up when it mattered most.

 

They would have won 11 or 12 games and no one would care about the lack of turnovers. You know the saints are dead last in turnovers in the NFC and guess what people are praising the job rob ryan did. Also playing from behind would mean teams would be forced to pass leading to more turnovers.

 

It mattered most in the playoffs when the defenses was at it's best. That defense killed the Ravens.

 

He did. Not as much as the two years prior, one where his defense still wasn't that good. Did you even watch the games this year? The abililty to force a turnover could have come in handy at many different times this year and it wasn't there. There are 32 teams that have defenses every season and this one tied the record for the least amount of turnovers in an NFL season ever, tied with a defense that played during a strike-shortened season. You're really going to defend that?

 

That was actually 2012, the year the regression had already started.

The 2011 defense was awesome.... But the core was unable to be kept together for either cap reasons or poor decision making.

2013 proved that Wade needs talent. He also doesn't really change his schemes all that much to attempt to make up for the lack of talent. Other good teams/defenses DO find a way to do that. The Texans are better off with a coach who can adjust to what he has, vs one that will do the same thing no mater who is out there.

 

I guess Wade Phillips would have kept his job in an alternate universe where Peyton Manning was the QB of his team, therefore, we should keep Wade Phillips?

 

Glover Quinn had 3 INT's this year, Reed had 0. Barwin had an INT and 2 forced fumbles, Brooks Reed had 0. That's on Wade? I could go on. Meco just had a pick int he playoffs.

All due respect, but every coach needs talent.

 

Yes, that's on Wade, it's his defense. What happened to accountability?

 

Saints are also 4th in points allowed and gave up 150 fewer points than last year, despite no significant infusion of talent (and scouring the waiver wires early in the season due to injuries). That's why Rob Ryan is praised.

 

Quinn didn't force any turnovers in 2011.

Demeco, Mario, and Barwin only forced 1 each.

Did we lose JJo? I thought he was still playing. How does he count as lost talent? I guess he did sit out that one game so that counts as a loss, right?

It's funny how you include Mario on that list. He played 5 games before getting injured. But somehow he gets credit for being part of that defense (and consequently a loss when we let him go) while presumably Cushing and Manning don't get credit for being part of the 2013 defense (thus magically also counting as a loss) even though they played 7 and 6 games respectively before getting injured. You can't have it both ways.

What about the decline in the production of the talent we kept? Kareem's INT's went from 4 to 0. Mercilus went from 2 forced fumbles to 0. Antonio Smith went from 1 forced fumble to 0. Brooks Reed went from 1 forced fumble to 0. That's not lost production because players were here and then they left. That's a decrease in production from players that stayed. Only 2 players increased their turnovers from 2012. Jonathan Josheph (from 2 to 3) and Darryl Sharpton (from 0 to 1).

Here's a sobering fact. Wade has had more talent on D overall than Frank Bush did, but Wade forced 67 turnovers in 3 years (22.3 per) while Bush forced 92 in 4 years (23 per). Over their last 3 years, they were the same.

 

Sure. Fine.

Wade needs a helluva lot of talent. A defense full of pro bowlers. The defense this team had in 2011 was special, and Wade was the perfect fit. A lot of that talent was still there in 2012 when the regression started.

When a team goes 2-14, there are problems everywhere. Talent, coaching, schemes, game plans. When the defense features some of the all-time worst production in turnovers, and was dead last in red zone TD % and sacks, you need a fresh start. Hell, the team looked collectively worse with him as head coach.

With the same talent, there is no way this team can get worse defensively with a new scheme/coach. And with this team needing coaches who excel at game planning for an opppnent, Wade just doesn't fit. The pattern of regression of his defenses at every coaching stop is pretty damning, and can't be simply attributed to a "talent" issue.

 

Sweet Denver just got a little easier.

 

so why the texans fired Kubiak?

no talent at QB
Only Duane Brown is worth at OL
AJ the only worth WR
Foster got injured, Tate sucks.
OD got injured too.

by your logic, Kubiak shouldnt be fired, because he had no talent this season.