Lin making the case for being a starter?

Larsv8, this is what you just posted:

This is what our data shows:

Stats so far this season support the notion that Lin's offense is much stronger than Bev's offense, and that Bev's defensive ability has been overrated while Lin's defensive ability has been underrated:

Games so far this season where Bev played and Lin did not:

Bev - 5 pts. (24min) vs. (Nets: Livingston (10min.) 0 pts., Tyshawan Taylor 16 pts.)
Bev - 11 pts. (37 min) vs. (Spurs: Parker - 27 pts.)
Bev - 8 pts. (38 min) vs. (Jazz: Burke - 21 pts.)
Bev - 12 pts. (42 min) vs. (Suns: Dragic - 19 pts.)
Bev - 6 pts. (33 min) vs. (Warriors: Curry - 22 pts.)
Bev - 9 pts. (39 min) vs. (Magic: Afflalo - 16 pts.)
Bev - 6 pts. (31 min) vs. (Kings: Thomas - 19 pts.)
Bev - 15 pts. (34 min) vs. (Bulls: Augustin - 8 pts.)
Bev - 8 pts. (30 min) vs. (Pacers: Hill - 12 pts.)

Games so far this season where Lin played and Bev did not:

Lin- 14 points (30 min) vs (Mavericks: Calderon-0 pt).
Lin--20 point s(36 min vs (Jazz: Tinsley-0 pt)
Lin--14 points (30 min) vs (Clippers: Paul-23 pts)
Lin -20 points (37 min) vs (Mavericks: Calderon: 15 pts)
Lin--13 points (34 min) vs (Spurs: Parker--6 points).
Lin --18 points (37 min) vs (Grizzlies: Conley-- 11 pts)
Lin --10 points (34 min) vs (Pelicans: Holiday - 3 pts)
Lin -- 6 points (24 min) vs (Thunder: Jackson - 16 pts)
Lin -- 14 points (34 min) vs (Kings: Thomas - 17 points)
Lin -- 14 points (28 min) vs (Knicks: Udrich 10 points)

 

Youn realize that the stats that you present were for 222 minutes for Bev. and 145 for Lin. There are 3,936 minutes in an 82 game season. Lin's minutes represents 3.6% of the total minutes in a year. Bev's a bit more. The data you present is meaningless. No conclusion can be drawn.

 

This "blew by Lin" stuff is ridiculous. PGs blow by each other. I watch a lot of games and plenty PGs, especially Thomas, have blown by others and if you watch Beverley against Thomas, he blew by Beverley plenty of times and Lin played more effective defense on Thomas than Beverley did earlier. Maybe Lin watching Beverley knew Thomas was the real deal and prepared for him, but Lin was very, very effective on Thomas who was lighting up other PGs, really good one, in previous games. It's ridiculous to fault Lin in any way for the defensive job he did on Thomas. He did an excellent defensive job on Thomas. He sucked yesterday on defense, but he was great against Sacremento. People do Lin a disservice for that game, he should be complemented for what he did on Thomas. He contained him and made him uncomfortable on plenty plays and possessions in the game and that's all you can reasonably expect him to do.

 

Group stats do not tell us anything about any specific individual in that group. I watched the entire game you are talking about twice. Lin was defending very well.

 

Here's a recent article that everyone seems to be talking about that mentions Lin's defense abilities:

http://www.thedreamshake.com/2014/1/3/5249000/houston-rockets-jeremy-lin-2014

"It's not a secret that shots inside the restricted area are some of the most efficient shots in the NBA and Lin does a great job of keeping his matchups from finishing them. He holds his opponents to 43.8% shooting which leads all the NBA's starting point guards."

 

I can draw the conclusion that a certain conclusion -- Lin has made a case for him being a starter -- can't be drawn.

 

Yea, that data is worthless.

Opponent PPG without regard to efficiency or the numerous other factors that encompass offense and defense has no value whatsoever. To suggest otherwise is just silly.

We aren't concerned with how they play all the time. We are concerned with how they play within the starting lineup which is what the whole thread is about. The data includes every single possession within that lineup which is ~300 for Lin and ~500 for Beverley. That is plenty to draw some conclusions from.

 

Sorry, you can say whatever you want about the raw data, but it still supports the notion that Lin's offense is much stronger then Bev's offense, and that Bev's defensive ability has been overrated while Lin's defensive ability has been underrated.

 

Like how this is worthless right?

 

Yes, I would not put much emphasis on a boxscore like that either.

 

It's not a case to be made. It's a decision by the head coach that's already been made. If anyone is judging, it's based on their own criteria depending on what they put weight on. And their biases.

 

Okay sweet

 

Defense is a team effort. A PnR is a 2 man offensive set and therefore the defense needs to be a 2 man effort. Cousins was making good picks for Thomas. Therefore Jones and Howard need to push Thomas out to let lin catchup or fall back to contest the layup. Lin meanwhile needs to cut off the passing lane to Cousins if he rolls. Our team and especially Jones actually showed great PnR defense in the kings game.

A defense that ends in a blocked shot is a good thing. Don't know why you're complaining. Basketball defense is more than just, "stay in front of your man and keep him 20 feet from the basket."

 

Holds?

Haha

Dwight being the best rim protector in the league has nothing to do with that %?

 

You're right, and that's also mentioned in the article.

'"But Allen, that's because Dwight is always down low" While that is correct, let's look at George Hill who has probably the best paint defender manning the paint behind him in Roy Hibbert. He's allowing his matchups to shoot 56.3% at the rim against him this season. For another example, Brandon Jennings who has 3 capable defenders in the front court starting beside him allows his opponents to shoot 58.6%.

It also needs to be noted that since returning from injury, Jeremy has been on a tear defensively. This could mean either that his numbers will improve because he's improving his defense or he's just on a streak and will regress towards the mean as the season goes on. If I were to make a bet, I would put money on him regressing to the mean.'

 

No, Lin is not making a case as a starter. The team is just as good with Lin as they are with Beverly as the starter.

What we are seeing is why Lin is so important to the bench.

 

Lets also compare Assist efficiency and Opponent FG% at Rim (which compares the defensive ability of the players within the same team):

Warning!!: LOHs might want to cover their eyes!

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=249121&page=5

 

this this this. Bench needs a playmaker that Bev can never be. As long as the best 5 players are on the floor at the end of game who starts or doesn't start doesn't matter.

 

This isn't true at all.

Most all people agree that the Rockets are at their best when they are pushing the ball and running.

Lin is without a doubt the best pg on the team at pushing the ball and running.

Lin needs to be the starter so the Rockets will play at their best.

 

I've said this several times in the past. This should have little to do with who starts. All you need to do is stagger Lin and Harden's minutes, keeping at least one of them on the floor. You can do that with or without Lin starting. It's similar to the TT idea, except that TT doesn't work but we know Harden-Lin can work.