I thought Manziel looked pretty good. He is an amazing runner and has a good arm. The problem is he does more with his athleticism than he does with his skills. He will be a good QB until he gets injured. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Z4byILOYoBA?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> I know REM thinks Florida fell off but they had more experience and time to rest by the Bowl. 1st rd draft pick DT Sharrif Floyd said this about Teddy Bridgewater: “Of all the QBs we played, he was the best one. Manziel don’t compare to him.” Bostic said he tried to knock him out but he just got back up. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/i9GcKd1CkuA?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
I just had to register to comment on the last couple of posts of stupidity. If you are going to make a case against Manziel, at least make a coherent argument. You seriously CANNOT compare Manziel's FIRST EVER COLLEGE GAME to Bridgewater's game against Florida the same year and make any rational conclusions.
2:45 - So beautiful..... I'd be ok with Bridgewater or Manziel, but I'd be happier with Bridgewater. I just have the gut feeling JFF is going to have a target on his back and will get injured running the ball. Hopefully Teddy can keep growing into his body.
If they are selecting a quarterback in the first, it is almost assuredly Bridgewater. Mcnair wants to win now, and Bridgewater is the most polished NFL ready qb available.
Stop posting... You're argument that my arguments are non-existent and lazy _ are non-existent and lazy...
Woa Clono. It's your first post do you really want to start this way. I never compared anything. I said he had a good game and then I talked about Johnny Football in general. "He is an amazing runner and has a good arm. The problem is he does more with his athleticism than he does with his skills. He will be a good QB until he gets injured." I only quoted Floyd he said Bridgewater was better. Now to the real point you can not watch any one game to evaluate a prospect because I do not believe any one game tells the whole story. But Johnny Manziel hasn't changed that much. Yes he has had some great games and some not so great but he is still a player who depends a lot on his athleticism. You only have to look at the last full game on youtube to see. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/OCJEs1O9nj8?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Not much different than that first game. He throws fine in the pocket with no pressure but is easily flushed out with pressure. He then goes into streetyard ball mode where he is amazingly effective. I am not saying he has no pocket presence, he has shown some improvement, but he absolutely needs to improve his pocket presence on the next level or he will struggle IMO. I think he might be able to do that but I am not as confident as I am about Bridgewater doing it because TB already has a greater body of work doing it. Disagree if you will but no need to be rude about it.
Hate on me all you want but I'll say it anyways. Yes, Manziel was a dynamic player in college, but when it comes to quarterbacking, itself, there is no comparison between him and Bridgewater. I'll go a step further. I don't think Manziel will ever be a good (key word) starter in the NFL.
If Russell Wilson is the success story of a mobile, jitterbug QB, then you have to include RG3 in the discussion about the possible future for Manziel. Manziel can get away from college athletes, sure. But look at RG3's last year in college. Woof. Someone will need to get it in Manziel's head that he pretty much can only use his mobility to buy more time in the pocket, and NOT as a way to regularly pick up first downs. Hell, someone needs to get this into Russell Wilson's head, NOW.
Why couldn't Johnny be Romo or Wilson? How could anyone at this point say he couldn't? He shows their same skills,and they prove it can work in the NFL; they are ultra-competitive, ultra-athletic, gunslingers.
He could be a Wilson-type, with a ton of work, in my opinion. I think the thing about Manziel that scares me is that he seems to (most of the time) have no concept of a pocket. At the first sign of pressure, he's running all over the field trying to avoid it. The only time he seems to step up in the pocket is when he's running out the front of it. That's what scares me. In the NFL, it's going to be bigger, faster, stronger, and he's not going to be able to rely on this ability so much. He's going to get clobbered if he tries to (RG3). Not only that, but as many have mentioned (and less this year) he tends to just lob balls up when under pressure and rely on his receivers. You can't do that. Yeah, I understand he's a winner. I enjoyed watching him in college very much. So much so, that I wish he would stay another year. I think it'd benefit him, too. Tim Tebow was a winner, too. I'm not comparing the two in any way, I'm just saying that they both won a lot of games. The thing that sets Manziel apart from Tebow is that he has all the tools (except size). The only thing that makes me believe Manziel may never capitalize on those tools is that he has to rework his game quite a bit to be an impact player in the NFL, in my opinion. I'm not saying he has to become a totally different player. I'm just saying he's got to start working on pocket presence, more mechanics, some ball placement, etc. That's a tough task. I think Johnny lives a breathes football, so he may be able to do this. But he also lives and breathes partying, so there's a chance he may not be able to do this. In reality, I'm a bit premature on saying he'll never be a good starter in the NFL. That's a bit of hyperbole by me. The reality is, this kid is going to need a major change - across the board - to succeed in the league. Because of that, I think he's worth a mid-first round pick, at best. I wish him all the best in the world, and I hope he succeeds. He's just a huge gamble. He's a boom or bust-type pick. /Sorry for going off topic.
Agree with a lot of this. For Manziel to be good he must first eliminate a lot of what made him so special in college. Then add those aspects back in, in small doses when the time is right. So if you take away some of the things Manziel does best - is he still that good? I think he can definitely still be great, but how great? And how easy will that come for him? Wilson is nothing like Manziel. Wilson was a pocket passer coming out. He's cool, calm and collected. He was very much the NFL prototype in terms of pocket presence, scanning the field, decision making, release point, throwing mechanics, etc... just didn't have the height. It wasn't until he came into the NFL that he started to use his speed and even now, it's about 8% of his game. Scrambling and extending plays is about 35% of Manziel's game right now. Can Manziel cut out the bull**** and still be good? Maybe.
I mean, isn't the point of an athlete to depend on their abilities? It's like saying...Aaron Rodgers is good, but he depends on his arm a lot. LeBron James has had some good games, but he's mostly just depending on his athletic ability. Manziel has something that no other QB has in this draft class...that shouldnt be held against him. EDIT If Manziel had no arm and only ran, then you have a point. But Manziel has a solid arm on top of the athletic ability.
I noticed that you are obviously a big Manziel supporter, and I have even said in another thread that I would be happy with him or bridgewater, but his biggest skill is his ability to run from D-Lineman in college. Notice his games against LSU as well as Missouri. Sam Montgomery gave him trouble, and he couldn't even land a roster spot on the worst team in the league this year. The guy holds on to the ball way too long, his ability to evade the rush will be gone once he goes up against the bigger/faster players in the NFL.
I haven't studied Manziel that much, so I could be completely wrong about this, so please correct me if I am. But I just don't see him as a fit in O'Brien's offense. O'Brien runs a "gameplay system," which means his offensive strategy is ever-evolving in order to take advantage of opponents weaknesses. That means whatever quarterback the Texans end up with, he has to have a highly versatile and highly adaptable skill-set. And while I think Manziel is a terrific football player, I see him as a guy that has to be built around and have an entire offensive scheme dedicated to his unique abilities. It'd be foolish really to place him in different types of offenses on a week-to-week basis when he's so talented at what he does best. Bridgewater, meanwhile, can really do it all (again, that's not a knock on Manziel) and he posseses the dedication to watching film that's necessary to keep up with O'Brien's fast-paced changes.
