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James Harden Is Awful in the Clutch

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Keyser Soze, Dec 31, 2013.

  1. Hous-TO-n

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    12/31 vs Kings 4/12
    12/29 vs thunder 0/0
    12/28 vs Pelicans 4/4
    12/26 vs Grizz 1/1
    12/25 vs Spurs 6/7
    12/23 vs Grizz 0/0
    12/21 vs Pistons 0/0
    12/20 vs Pacers 0/0
    12/18 vs Bulls 0/0
    12/15 vs Kings 0/2
    12/13 vs Warrios 3/4
    12/12 vs Blazers 1/3
    12/9 vs Magic 1/7
    12/6 vs Warrior 3/5
    12/4 vs Suns 0/3
    12/2 vs Jazz 4/5
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    I will say he is fine in 4th quarter
    sometimes hot, sometimes cold as hell

    (for those 0/0 either hurt or we had already been blown out))
     
  2. tonman

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    not saying Lin by himself but you do realize that for the season, Lin's eFG% is 54.6% and his TS% is 61%. that's for the season and not 1 game. Harden's seasonal stat is 50.2% eFG% and a TS% of 59.1%.
     
  3. hardenisaboss

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    and Lin is having the greatest season and playing under a much smaller role where he does not have the defense keyed on him. compare those numbers to Harden's year when he won sixth man. I think he had a TS% of 67.
     
  4. ed_tx

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    He's too scared to do that. He goes on National TV and says how he told Lin he has to play better D and Lin responded. But has he ever told Harden that he has to at least play some D???

    I knew we were done for when Harden went into his superhero mode where he feels like he can just take all the shots and win the game for us. When you pass the ball good things happen. I don't want Carmelo Anthony II on this team if it's gonna be like this.
     
  5. DOLPHIN2k2

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    Lin also has less usage and had to find his shots with out plays being made for him. He also doesn't get superstar calls that Harden gets.
     
  6. ed_tx

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    You can't say he was good in the clutch when he gave up a big shot with no D and missed two shots. Especially when he had a chance to set up a play and instead decided just to jack it up.

    If he were clutch tonight, we would've won.
     
  7. ed_tx

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    It is... It is...

    Until McHale can actually get Harden to play better team ball and play consistent D, then it's both of their faults. If McHale calls plays and Harden doesn't run them, then he should be benched. If McHale asks Harden to play D and he doesn't, then Harden should be benched. McHale has no problem doing that with Lin but it's like he turns into a big vagina when it comes to Harden.

    Harden was my favorite player when this season started but he's pissing me off by being so boneheaded. I loved how he said "We" didn't play good defense in the first half. Helloooooooo????!!! "YOU" didn't play good defense Harden. Lin locked down Isiah Thomas. But "YOU" let McLemore and Thornton get off b/c you made next to zero effort on defense. That's who Dwight is calling out when he said we need guys on the perimeter to play D.

    Happy New Years guys. Not a great way to end the year but there is always 2014 to look forward to.
     
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  8. hardenisaboss

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    did you even read what I said. Harden wasn't a superstar when he played in OKC and so wasn't getting superstar calls and his usage was really low as well playing behind Durant and Westbrook similar to Lin playing behind Harden and Dwight.
     
  9. tonman

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    it's nice to play next to Durant. Sorry Harden < Durant.

    but if you must:

    Harden .491/.390/.846 31.4 mpg 4.1 rpg 3.7 apg 1.0 spg 16.8 ppg
    Lin .480/.370/.784 29.7 mpg 2.6 rpg 4.2 apg 1.1 spg 14.1 ppg

    and you are correct that harden has a TS% of 66.0% that season after 2 previous seasons of being the 6th man. we don't even know if lin will be around for year 3 with Houston and whether McHale will play him as a true 6th man.
     
  10. hardenisaboss

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    How is this relevant to you post? Who is blaming Lin?
     
  11. ERC

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    Had Harden shared the ball and played D, we might not need his 38p to stay afloat.
     
  12. hardenisaboss

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    that is irrelevant. my point is that you can't compare their efficiency when they play different roles for the team. if you want to, which it seems you do, compare them when they had similar roles.
     
  13. hotballa

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    honestly, this kind of stuff really comes down to coaching a lot of times. if time and again Harden is doing something that the coaches don't like...THEN BENCH HIM DURING THE LAST MINUTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Otherwise, I have to assume that Harden going super ISO is EXACTLY what the coaches want him to do. If I hear McHale do another whinefest session about how the ball is "too sticky" during the end... My goodness, you are the effing coach. You benched Howard, you can certainly bench Harden if you are so unhappy with the ball sticking to him so much.

    Harden effing things up with ISO ain't his fault. He's a superstar and honestly should always have that "I can score on you anytime" mentality. This is purely on the coaching staff not doing its job.
     
  14. tonman

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    at this particular time, lin is starting. also, lin is the PG but harden is handling the ball a lot so lin is essentially playing SG at times. so their game is similar.

    but per your comment, there is no way to compare because lin's role here is not similar to harden's role in OKC. not even close.

    the bottom line is that harden should trust his teammates more even during clutch time. you know it. everyone knows it. problem is harden doesn't seem to see it.
     
  15. Doppleganger

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    McHale's logic says that if Harden is going ISO, then bench Lin.
     
  16. DOLPHIN2k2

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    Harden was their 6th man and controlled the ball when he is in. You are telling me Harden as the 6th man role plays the same way as when Lin comes off the bench?
     
  17. hardenisaboss

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    He should. But it will come with time, probably 2-3 more years. Remember only 24, it takes superstar some time to realize there are others on the team, but it will happen. Harden is not the only superstar that went through this where they iso as they come into the league but as they matured they would realize that they should pass if the shot is not available.
     
  18. IBIZA0408

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    Lin have a great season, but his eFG% & TS% were created in limited play -9.4 in FGA & 14.1 in pts per game - not 38 pts.
    Keep high efficiency in high quantity is much hard.
     
  19. hardenisaboss

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    Exactly, you are proving my point further. The smaller the role, the higher the efficiency should be.
     
  20. ERC

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    Actually, according to NBA stats - Player Clutch, this season in the last 3 minutes of the game, when we are behind or tied by 5pts or less, Harden's shooting:

    30% overall FG%
    20% from 3p
    56% from the charity stripe
    resulting in a 2-4 record.

    Check it out yourself

    Not exactly Mr. Clutch, wouldn't you say?
     

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