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Teddy Bridgewater or Bust

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Old Man Rock, Dec 3, 2013.

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  1. thejav

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    yeah hes the #1 pick for sure..
     
  2. J.R.

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    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-RobRang

    Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville: While Bridgewater remains the favorite to land the No. 1 overall pick of the draft, who the Texans sign to be their next head coach will play a huge role in determining whether this talented club elects to start all over again with a rookie or perhaps try to swing a deal in free agency (Jay Cutler?) or trade (Kirk Cousins?) for a quarterback with NFL experience. For now, the highly accurate Bridgewater appears to be the favorite, though his slim build and questionable level of competition are legitimate concerns.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-DaneBrugler

    Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville: What a difference a year makes. The Texans have gone from a talented playoff team to the No. 1 pick, and are looking for a new head coach. Houston is set to pick in the top five for the first time since they selected Mario Williams No. 1 overall in 2006. If the Texans see a quarterback in this class that gives them an upgrade over Schaub/Keenum, that's the pick and Bridgewater is the favorite to go first.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/45864/344/norris-mock-draft-dec-30

    QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville

    The obvious choice but the right one. The statement will pop up many times throughout the draft process (and this mock), but if a team does not have a quarterback, they are treading water. Find the guy, then go and get him.

    Let me start by saying I am a big fan of Bridgewater’s. The recent criticism seems to focus on Teddy’s lean frame and size. I think that is a topic we will laugh at in a few years. Bridgewater does not take unnecessary hits or produce frenetic behavior in the pocket (see RGIII). His eye level, movement, anticipation and placement are all great. His vertical shots have been listed as a negative, and I have critiqued them, but maybe he is asked to put lost on these targets. I do not think there is a debate on the top passer in this draft. It is Bridgewater.

    http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/29/nfl-mock-draft-2014-week-17/

    Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville.

    Even those who are skeptical of Bridgewater’s abilities had to be impressed with how he played against Miami in Louisville’s bowl game. He threw for 447 yards and accounted for four touchdowns — a dazzling performance that showed off everything he brings to the table. Included in that list of abilities: mobility, touch downfield and the awareness to roll through progressions in decisive fashion.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    This is not true.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/matt-schaub/
     
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    I didn't realize that Schaub would still take up that much cap space if cut.

    Fire Smith.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    Schaub signed a new contract, for 5 years, which began in 2012, and took the place of his old deal. This is much like what Kubiak did when he signed a 3 year deal, which in effect only extended him 2 years. Schaub signed a 5 year contract that only extended him 4 years.

    In either case, we had to eat two years of the contract in order to get to a place where he was cuttable. Pretty regular stuff.

    And beyond that, this doesn't absolve Rick Smith of guilt when it comes to signing Schaub when he did. It was a dumb move that cost the franchise a lot of money and possibly a year of development. Sure, we have an out now, but it was still a really dumb decision in hindsight.
     
  7. rezdawg

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    You have it wrong bro...Schaub signed a 6 year deal when he joined the Texans in 2007.

    2007
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    The last year of his deal was in 2012...and during that season, we signed him to a 4 year, 62 million dollar extension.

    2013
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    Schaub has only played 1 season of his "new" contract.

    If you'd like, I can look up the articles that show this to be the case.
     
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    Even in such a case, it remains a giant mistake that no one should be excusing Smith for. Offering an extension before 2012 was so, so stupid. I never had much of a problem with the money (it was about right given the market), but even if you pay market price, you're liable if the investment goes totally bankrupt. The timing was a big risk that ultimately bit us in the ass, even if it was "structured" well. 2013 down the tubes and 2014 will be hamstrung with $10MM tied up. Inexcusable.
     
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    I agree that there was no reason to extend him (unless the Texans thought Schaub would get more than 15 million per year on the open market)...but my point is strictly from a structural point of view, the contract gave us an out if Schaub underperformed. Most contracts with QBs are not flexible at all, but we are able to get out very quickly.
     
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    A lot of people would argue that $10MM in dead money isn't much of an out. Just because it is possible for us to get out doesn't mean it will be painless.
     
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    It's a good thing the rookie scale is in place or we would really be in a lot of trouble with a #1 pick contract plus $10M in dead money.
     
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    Its all about relativity. 10 million dead money sucks.. .But is incredible given the timing of the cut. A typical QB deal would have had us stuck with Schaub through the 2015 season.
     
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    I'm getting upset reading these posts.

    FIRE SMITH
     
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    A player is worth what the open market will pay, was there ever any threat Schaub would have been signed away by another team for that kind of money?

    I'd say no because his ranking in the middle of the pack was system dependent. He can Stretch and Bootleg because the stretch running game gives the QB outrageous time to throw to receivers who have time to run patterns all the way across the field. In a drop back system he would be as vulnerable as Drew Bledsoe, the human tackling dummy.
     
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    Looked great against a team that's given up 500+ yards in each of it's last 5 games
     
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    The "typical QB" deals that he's generally compared to (Flacco, Stafford, etc) are young, improving franchise QBs. Dead money isn't that big a deal because (a) if they hit free agency, they'd be getting comparable deals and (b) there's not even a small expectation of giving up on that player in 1 or 2 years.

    Schaub was older with no real upside (he was what he was), so the guarantees are relatively more important. He got less than those young, franchise QBs, but he still got more than he should have. The Texans essentially bid against themselves - they probably overpaid and over-guaranteed.
     
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    "He was what he was"...was good enough at the time. Almost every single person had him in the same category as a player like Stafford, despite Stafford's "upside" that he has failed to show, thus far. Schaub crashed completely towards the 2nd half of last season and this season...he had never played that poorly over his entire career. If he continued playing at the level he was playing at, then the contract would be fine at 15 million per year.

    And yes, the guarantees are more important...and we barely guaranteed Schaub anything, thus being able to get out of the deal after only 1 year and 10 million in dead money. I dont think you guys are realizing how well the FO played the structure of the contract.
     
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    After 2011 (the last season before Schaub's extension), Stafford was a #1 overall pick that had just completed his 3rd year in the league and threw for 5000+ yards and 41 TDs and was the centerpiece of that offense (vs Schaub, where Foster was the #1 piece of the Texans offense). If anyone was putting Schaub on the same level as Stafford, they were crazy.

    Stafford was viewed as being as-good-as-advertised with the #1 overall pick and was the next great young franchise QB. Whatever you think of Schaub, I don't think he's a guy anyone would think was a #1 overall draft pick quality player. At his best, he was a very good game manager that could do really well given a dominant running game and defense.
     
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    Also looked great against a team that was ranked number 2 in defense behind Alabama until they met Teddy B and he knocked them down a few notches. Floyd said he was the best QB they faced that year much better than Johnny Heisman. Bostic he tried to knock Bridgewater out of the game but Bridgewater kept coming back. They both got drafted in the first and second round.

    Teddy was a year younger and he produced against the best. He plays with a mediocre O-Line and even weaker running attack. He produces against all competition. No one stops him. His win against Florida was the widest margin against the spread in BCS history. Miami was a 2 point favorite and he destroyed them. His passing opens up the running game not the other way around. He has an intermediate passing that is better than at least half the QB's in the NFL right now. Makes Case and Schaub look like amateurs. Made Morris from look like arena football player compared next to him.

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    That first play is one of the hardest hits I've seen a QB take in a while but what people don't see is he threw a perfect pass to his receiver, got back up and only got angry and kicked butt.

    On one play he faked the secondary so bad it looked like Chris Paul faking another player he falls to the floor. Only he did that with his eyes and a quick head flip.

    He does everything that you look for in a quarterback: his drop back is quick and crisp, he follows through with all of his throws, everything is going forward when he throws, he progresses through all of his reads, uses his eyes to manipulate the secondary, throws to a spot not a player, leads his receivers, and lastly, he is dynamic and athletic yet does not rely on his athleticism to be successful.
     
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    Bridgewater looks like a no 1 pick. He might fail, but he does everything you want with a franchise qb. He can fit the ball in tight windows. He goes through his progressions. He is always looking down the field. He hits the hot receiver on the blitz. He doesn't run a lot so he shouldn't take the big hits.

    What are the big question marks about him? Is it because he is black?
     
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