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Teddy Bridgewater or Bust

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Old Man Rock, Dec 3, 2013.

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  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Yeah, I think, "in O'Brien we trust" might be a good route to take but Smith just let a supposed QB guru throw that 30 million down the toilet. Now it's Smith's nuts that are on the dresser. Will he let another man control the fate of his nuts? Maybe, maybe not. Probably so. But we'll see.
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    So tired of Smith getting a pass on the Schaub deal.

    Gary didn't negotiate that contract, nor did Gary choose to sign Schaub before the end of 2012.

    That was Rick's doing. Kubiak is culpable for who got the contract. But Rick is responsible for the $$ and the timing.

    Besides, botching a top draft pick is way less harmful to a franchise than 30 million dollars being flushed down the crapper.
     
  3. tmacfor35

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    Think.

    You really think Gary had no input on that deal?
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    You think Gary negotiated the money, length, or timing of that deal?

    If so, that'd be news to pretty much everyone.
     
  5. thegary

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    if we get that fukr as coach and smith doesn't let him pick his fkng qb of choice then nothing has changed, i.e. our org sucks. in any logical world we are hiring this guy to choose and groom our franchise qb. but hey, i knew kubaschaub was to be our downfall years ago and mcnair and most of this board refused to see it. the world can be an illogical place.
     
  6. Major

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    I think part of the issue is that a QB's success depends on his fit with a coach - not saying VY would be successful anywhere else, but he and Fisher are a perfect example of a bad fit in style. So the GM's job is, in part, not just to find the "objective" best QB, but the QB that would do best with the new coach - so in that respect, you have to defer to the coach in a lot of ways. I think that applies less with other positions that can be more generic and not need to "fit" with a coach (for example, a great WR is a great WR).
     
  7. desihooper

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    Teddy BirdgeOverTroubledWater?

    I really don't care who they hire or draft, I just hope it is a 10-year fit for the team and it vaults us back to serious contender status.
     
  8. Ziggy

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    I imagine Gary said Schaub's the guy, do it. Smith negotiated a contract that IMO wasn't that bad considering the market for similar QB's. But, like I've said before, if there's one thing I know for certain that Smith isn't good at it's managing the cap.

    I agree. They'll have to work together to find the guy. But Smith is flying all over the place right now conducting due diligence. I think he's going into this thinking, "this is my pick"
     
  9. rezdawg

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    Well, the structure of the contract was actually excellent...we are lucky to be able to cut the guy a year later and save 4 million on the cap (even though 10 million in dead money).

    Most contracts put you in a situation where you have to take on the player for at least a couple years before cutting the guy becomes an option.
     
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    It's a business worth hundreds of millions of dollars. One man isn't making all the choices in regards to the contract length/terms. That's ridiculous.
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    Technically we did take on the player for a couple of years before cutting him became an option (2012 and 2013).
     
  12. DonnyMost

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    You realize how ridiculous it is to suggest the head coach is the one putting contracts together, right?

    Gary is the football guy. Not the business man here.

    I have no doubt he advocated signing Matt Schaub, and signing him ASAP.

    I also have no doubt that Gary had little to no say in how much money he got or how it was paid out.

    If Rick Smith isn't ultimately the guy in charge of the money, the what the f*** is he doing here?
     
  13. Major

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    And it's also ridiculous to think that Kubiak would be involved in salaries and cap management.
     
  14. tmacfor35

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    I didn't suggest Gary was doing so. I suggested that it was a choice made by many members of the organization. Hilarious to me that you are knocking Smith when in reality, it was a good deal . There is an escape route that doesn't break the back of the teams future. Matt was a top 10 qb in this league at the time, so who exactly predicted a year like this happening? Sure as hell wasnt you.
     
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    He was already on the books for 2012, so regardless of new contract or not, he was going to play that season. 2013 was the first year of his new deal...and Rick played that contract about as well as it could have been played.

    Compare it to the recent deal Stafford got...the Lions have to play through a minimum of 3 years of the contract before it is even an option to cut him...and even if they cut him after 3 years, they'd face 11 million in dead money.

    Rick has his flaws, but the Schaub contract was structured perfectly.
     
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    Both were responsible period!
     
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    It took 5 years for Kubiak/Schaub to be a bad combination so if you've been harping on it all that time it doesn't make you right, it makes you annoying.

    If I could live forever and I stood on a corner saying the world was going to end, one of these days I'd be right.
     
  18. DonkeyMagic

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    Until he starts losing games, in which case he will be a moron. :grin:
     
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    I'm always surprised that many often play the "racist boogeyman" card when it comes to discussing black athletes. Do people really think that's a factor when it comes franchises trying to win championships and collect the millions in compensation for coaches and owners?

    "Hakeem Olajuwon - greatest Rocket and perhaps center of all time. He would be my favorite player, but he's black. So, I'm going to have to go with Rudy T." That's just absurd.

    Five coaches were fired yesterday from their multi-million dollar jobs. You think that they forego the opportunity to maximize their chances to win and keep one of those 32 jobs, in order to prioritize playing white guys?

    That's the great thing about a free market. If a person makes decisions based on arbitrary factors like skin color, the market will punish the inevitable failure.

    In sports, the market is wins. Or, are there separate scores and stats for black athletes? How do you classify cases like RG3 - do "cornball brothers" stats go with black or white lines?

    With Bridgewater there are definitely some things to like: Accurate passer, top ratings against blitzes, comes from a pro-style offense. Concerns: Slight frame, average speed (4.65), and did not often face NFL-level defensive talent.

    With so much on the line, I think the selection will come down to a lot of advanced stats and of course the combine and workouts. It's unfortunate that the Texans got the #1 pick in a year without a consensus pick. Hopefully, they will make good decisions that lead to winning a Superbowl.
     
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  20. Major

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    He was specifically asking about fans, not teams or owners.
     
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