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Is Islam the most violent religion?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Tree-Mac, Dec 30, 2013.

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  1. Tree-Mac

    Tree-Mac Member

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    Is it stated somewhere in their holy books that they should hurt people when things don't go their way?
     
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    damn this thread will go places

    i can already see the epic shet flinging
     
  3. Haymitch

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    I still think it's Rastafarianism.
     
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    Never read the Koran, but the bible has some pretty violent bits.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=violence+in+the+bible

    So would that make Christianity a violent religion?

    If you can answer that, then you have the answer to your question.
     
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    Such a loaded question.

    Both yes and no. Mostly yes bc the fear of hell versus the gifts of heaven combined with too much sacrifice on earth makes people do crazy things.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    It certainly is today.

    DD
     
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    Between the Crusades and inquisition I am sure more people died from Christianity than any other religion.
     
  9. Tree-Mac

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    I mean in recent history. Everytime I hear about a suicide bombing, it is very likely by a Muslim. Some quotes I found:

    "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57)

    “Take not the Jews and Christians for friends ... slay the idolaters [infidels] wherever ye find them. ...Fight against those who ... believe not in Allah nor the Last Day” (Sura 5:51; 9:5,29,41).

    Sura 4:168: “Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy.”

    Sura 9:123: “Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that God is with those who fear him.”

    Sura 66:9: “O Prophet! make war on the infidels and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their abode! and wretched the passage to it!”
     
  10. Haymitch

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    OP, you're about 10 years behind on this debate/discussion. I think everyone has already been there and done that when it comes to this topic. It would be more interesting to talk about Nuwaubianism or Cao Dai.

    Plus, no need to bring up negativity when we're only 47 days away from John Frum Day!
     
  11. stthomsfinest

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    Ever heard of something called "context" Tree-Mac?

    You have to keep in mind that the Qur'an was revealed 1435 years ago during a time in which a mild-mannered merchant named Muhammad was chosen by God to continue the lineage of Prophethood that Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joseph, Jonah, Job, John the Baptist, Jesus and other notables were tasked with.

    Just like many of the Prophets before him, he was met with fierce opposition, in this case it was mainly Pagan Arabs who did not want to abandon their idols and barbaric practices for Islamic monotheism.

    At first, Muhammad began to peacefully and rationally preach and persuade using the revelations of the Quranic verses. He was met with catcalls, people trying to interrupt him and tell him to shut up, but as he started to gain followers who accepted Islam, things became violent to the point that his opposers wanted him dead.

    I think it's common knowledge that for any religion to survive, it would have to defend itself against fierce opposition, and if it comes to violence and war than that's what would have to happen.

    The Muslims at first did not want to fight and kinda wanted to do the Gandhi pacifism route. But that would have ultimately led to them being killed and Islam being extinct. Verses were revealed saying to fight back against the aggressors rather than lay down and take a beating.

    The problem is that many people who tout that Islam is violent and cite Quranic verses that show such leave out the context. Many of those verses that tell Muslims to fight against disbelievers and infidels and such, it's because they (the disbelievers/opposers of Islam) are initiating the violence and it's merely telling the Muslims to fight back.

    Also in many of those verses there is a common verse that is constantly left out which is something to the effect of "BUT if they act peacefully/cease fighting/put down their arms, then act peacefully in return or let them go free"

    TL:DR - Peaceful coexistance always takes precedence.

    The Jews and Christians as "friends" thing was discussed here on clutchfans not too long ago and clarified. Check that out: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=229672

    As for the whoever denounces it's religion kill him quote you posted, that quote is very weak as there isn't solid evidence that the Prophet Muhammad said those things. And in the Qur'an there is nothing about how to penalize apostates.

    However, back then apostasy wasn't as simple as, "I dont feel like being Muslim anymore, I'm *insert religion here* now" It was more along the lines of treason, aka siding with the opposers and wanting all Muslims dead.

    Applying those verses of the Qur'an advocating war/violence, killing those who aren't Muslim etc. are for a very specific circumstance and situation many of which DO NOT APPLY to today. So if a terrorist attacks innocents and uses the Qur'an as justification, HE IS AN IDIOT AND HE IS WRONG.
     
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    is it?

    so in the five hours between posts, in the middle of the night, you became educated on Islamic verse?
     
  13. Barkley123

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    Terrorism by muslims? You mean like 9/11? You believe that was orchestrated by some muslim dude in a cave?

    I wouldn't believe what your TV tells you, my TV once told me Yao Ming was a scientific experiment by the Chinese government.
     
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    Yes it is, but I would say that the Quran's violent verses are more prevalent and are spread throughout the book. With the Bible, at the very least a Christian can easily distinguish between the rather violent Old Testament and pacifist New Testament. The Quran doesn't have any sort of division between it's violent verses and peaceful versus.
     
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    In its effect on the world currently, yes.

    Just wait for FranchiseBlade to enter this thread and - against all facts - tell you that most deaths from terror attacks are not caused by Islamists. He keeps repeating that (although he tries semantics by referring to the number of terror attacks, rather than people killed), although it has been proven wrong many times.
     
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    How is it that believing in more than one deity is more "barbaric" than believing in one? It's not like Islam changed the actual barbaric practices of that region. Sex with children didn't stop with Islam, nor did honor killings, or the general treatment of women. As someone who was raised Muslim, my Sunday religious classes taught how the prophet changed the barbaric ways of the idolaters, but I was never told what barbaric practices did Islam change. Christianity is equally as false as Islam but there is one key difference. There was strong materialistic motive for what the prophet of Islam did. He benefited highly from creating his religion(leader of men, sex with many women, spoils of war). If Jesus was a real man, he did what he did with good intentions. There was no materialistic gain that resulted from his preaching.
    All my family members practice Islam. By no means are they bad or violent people. Because of this I can only conclude that there is much more to a person's character than what religion they practice.
     
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  17. Space Ghost

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    Feel free to study the bible and understand Christianity.

    I'll shortcut it a bit for you. The Old Testament does indeed have plenty of violence. The New Testament, which loosely is the base behind Christianity, not so much.
     
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    montezuma faints...

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    Troll alert.

    Whose account does the OP belong to?
     
  20. Haymitch

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    Similarly, what was your previous username?
     

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