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GIFs of Jeremy Lin's Reverse Layups vs. MEM

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sabonis, Dec 27, 2013.

  1. Nubmonger

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    Suffice it to say you're the one who doesn't understand statistics. Look up the same numbers for LeBron, Parker, Wade, and Conley. Then get back to me about how I don't understand statistics and how you're so objective and unbiased that you know what's really going on even though you can't be bothered to look things up yourself. (BTW, if you look and you still don't understand the point I'm getting at, I rest my case.)

    I'm not getting sucked into this ridiculous LOF/LOH dynamic that you're clearly trying to perpetuate (while covering it up with "BUT I think Lin is great and REAL ROCKETS FANS support the team blah blah blah ").

    Your specific point was that the FG% numbers are not impressive because they mask all of Lin's turnovers. I pointed out that if they were having an effect, it wasn't a big one. Your response is what? "Well he goes down in rank in stuff so I must be right!" That makes no sense. You have no idea why he's going down in rankings other than your own biased supposition. If you think his turnovers are a problem, then prove it. The numbers say otherwise - if the turnovers were a big enough issue to complain about then he wouldn't drop from first to seventh, he'd drop from first to middle-of-the-pack or first to near-last.

    I've never said that you don't have a point. I'm just pointing out that your hypothetical scenarios aren't being borne out in the numbers. If you want to keep playing the "what if" game then this can go on forever. Find proof, or get off your high horse and keep walking.

    And regardless of what you say, actions speak louder than words - relentlessly nitpicking small details about a guy's play when the results would argue that he is one of the best players in the league at finishing buckets at the rim speaks volumes more than one or two sentences claiming to "like the guy".

    In complete seriousness, I ask you to consider the situation where someone provides numbers that Harden is one of the best finishers at the rim and then puts up a highlight reel where he always finishes to his left, and when he has to go to his right he does a reverse layup. Are you really going to sit here and say with a straight face that you'd be just as nitpicky about how he does his job, considering the results?

    This, my friends, is the flip side of what we often call "the soft bigotry of low expectations".

    P.S. - Your scenario about getting from 20-10 feet but losing the ball in-between is an even more hilarious attempt at grasping at straws.
     
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  2. yuisakata

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    Post of the thread!
     
  3. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    Silly, silly posters... my statements Lin are very consistent and unbiased. Anyone who speaks otherwise has an agenda. But it's cool think what you like.

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    Thanks for mentioning Harden.

    Since finishing at the rim is/was never his problem, I'll speak on some things that are...

    1) effort on defense (Lin doesn't have this problem)
    2) leadership (not Lin... James' is even worse since he makes more money)
    3) too much ISO (not Jeremy)
    4) b-made flopping (Lin maybe a tad, but def nothing like Beard)

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    Not going to keep going back and forth.... think whatever you wish.
     
  4. soinlife

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    lin

    the reason he gets the space he needs on both of these is because he uses his right hand, a majority of the responses here are ridiculous jr high basketball iq comments....come on man, great plays Lin
     
  5. tkrieger

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    If Lin shot a "standard" layup on that play, Zach Randolph would have either contested or blocked the shot.

    A reverse layup is by design a shot which evades a block attempt. Maybe the most difficult common shot in basketball to block, because the rim shields the shot blocker. The only time it's "showing off" is if a standard layup on such a play wouldn't have been contested at all.
     
  6. d12babymamas

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    Unrelated but how do you post Gifs? I'm old so bear with me.
     
  7. hugo2000

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    Me too. It's just smoother and more natural to do it if you are rightist. Of course, being amateur, I only succeeded in maybe 20 - 40 % of the time. :)
     
  8. hugo2000

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    Well said. And to me, the second one is more impressive cos it's much difficult to execute if you are driving in from the middle. The bounce back will always be too strong if the control is not there, and especially if the ball is over pumped.
     
  9. PnRScreen

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    that speed......
     
  10. ryebread

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    his momentum is carrying him to his left so a reverse is actually easier. have any of you played basketball? it's harder to go up with your left when your momentum is carrying you to your left away from the basket. also, by going with the reverse, the ball is closer to the basket so he can literally just flick it off the glass. if he had gone up with his left, the way his momentum was carrying him away from the basket, he would've had to scoop it up and in.
     
  11. Lihao

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    should have dunked those, what a scrub
     
  12. quatin

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    It's far easier for me to do a reverse layup than a left handed layup. The hand isn't the problem, it's the leg. If you play with a dominant right side you'll get far more lift with the left leg, which naturally allows more stretch with the right hand. It's pointless to finish left if you go up on your left leg, because you'll just get blocked.

     
  13. Alvin Choo

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    2 points. Thats all it matters.
     
  14. Epik

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    Does anyone know where I could find the clip for this? I couldn't find it on YouTube.
     
  16. CasaDolce

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    I'd like to watch it too. My tv showed the clippers game right after the Rockets game.
     
  17. chenjy9

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    Lin made a great shot there. If he consistently makes it, I honestly don't care which hand he shoots it with. All that matters is the W and points help get that.
     
  18. Houstunna

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    Agreed. I just want Lin to play more under control overall.
     
  19. Chemistry

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    If we exclude his injury games he's contributing anywhere from 16-18 ppg on an average of 30-32 minutes per game. He is doing this with an elite TS% of 0.632 which is good for second among PGs and 11th overall in the league. His FG% is 0.495 and his 3 point percent is 0.389. This is with a usage of 21 which puts him at 31st among PGs for this stat.

    In addition to this we expect him to play lock down defense on the league's best point guards and have minimal turnovers. All for a nice 8 million dollar cap hit.

    It's funny how the same 'true Rockets fans' that are satisfied with Patrick Beverly's FG% of 0.420 and 3PT% of 0.333 want all star level production from this kid, in his second full season as an NBA player, who is a fourth option at best on this team, while constantly proclaiming he doesn't have the potential to even be a top 10 PG in this league, never mind a star level player.
     
  20. Houstunna

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    Was that you on the Texans board?
     

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