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Wife: Saudi blogger recommended for apostasy trial

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    This is pretty screwed up. You go to jail for blogging?



    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/25/world/meast/saudi-blogger-death-sentence/index.html
     
  2. chrispbrown

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    Pretty much par for the course in Saudi Arabia.
     
  3. LosPollosHermanos

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    worst country in the world playing upto standards.
     
  4. IzakDavid13

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    What's worse is that the penalty for free thinking and leaving Islam is death, usually by beheading or stoning...but it's nothing new.

    From Quran & Hadith:


    The Qur'an:

    Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

    Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

    Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.



    From the Hadith:

    The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."

    Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.

    Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

    Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

    Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

    Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

    Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

    Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

    Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 -
    "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).



    One of the world's most respected Sunni scholars, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, admitted in 2012 that if Muslims had "gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn't exist today". (Astonishingly enough, he was not apologizing for the beheading, torture, burning and murder of millions but rather trying to justify it).


    A Sample of Modern Day Treatment of Those Who Leave Islam, headlines include:

    Imam Converts to Christianity - Father Tries to Stab Him...
    Man Leaves Islam - Home Burned Down by Relatives...
    Afghan Parliament Member Calls for Execution of Christian Converts...
    Woman Kidnapped, Sexually Abused for Becoming Christian...
    Young Girl Shaved and Beaten for Converting to Christianity...
    15-Year-Old Boy Executed for Denying Belief in God...
    Ex-Muslim Couple Imprisoned for Converting to Christianity...
    Saudis Lash and Jail Man Accused of Helping Woman Convert...
    Morocco's Highest Islamic Body Demands Death of Anyone Rejecting Islamic Faith...
    Christian Widow and Mother of 5 Hunted Down and Murdered for Leaving Islam...
    Iran Tells Imprisoned Pastor the Torture Will End When He Renounces Faith...
    Wife Kicked Out of Home for Becoming Christian...
    Two Christian Converts Murdered by Islamists...
    Christian Convert Jailed and Tortured for Leaving Islam...
    Imprisoned Pastor's Health Worsens as Beatings Intensify...
    Woman's Entire Family Threatened with Death for Her Leaving Islam...
    Prominent Muslim-American Group Backs Death Penalty for Leaving Islam...
    Ex-Muslim Turned Pastor Gunned Down...
    Teacher, Father of Four Shot to Death...
    Christian Convert Denied Right to See His Children...
    Egypt Imprisons Entire Family of Christian Converts...
    Girl's Face Burned by Parents for Embracing Christianity...
    Islamists Behead Convert to Christianity...
    Ex-Muslim and Family Denied Fresh Water...
    al-Shabaab Shoots 3 Christian Converts in Somalia...
    Teenage Girl Gets Two Years in Prison after Leaving Islam...
    Apostate Preacher Murdered in His Own Home...
    Criminal Past Invented to Punish Christian Convert...
    Convert Released from Solitary Confinement After 105 Days...
    Five Christian Converts 'Disappear' in Iranian Prison System...
    Atheist Sentenced to Three Years for Denying God's Existence...
    Muslims Offer Prayers as They Cut Man's Throat for Embracing Christianity...
    Death Sentence Fatwa Placed on Head of 'Apostate' Rapper...
    Church Pastor Abducted for Baptizing Muslim Girl...
    Apostates Jailed, Families Mocked...
    Christian Converts Describe Torture by Muslim Fundamentalists...
    Ex-Imam and Wife Nearly Beaten to Death for Converting to Christianity
    Girl Severely Beaten, Families Threatened for Showing Interest in Jesus
    Iran: No College for Ex-Muslims
    Two Converts to Christianity Stabbed in Norway
    Uganda Girl Learning to Walk after Brutal Torture for Leaving Islam
    Egyptian Cleric Says to Behead Apostates
    Convert Beheaded for Leaving Islam
    Iran Jails Christian Woman for Two Years over Leaving Islam
    Muslim Father Arrested to Lure Christian Sons Back to Fate
    Zanzibar Christian Suffers in Jail after Incarceration and Torture for Apostasy
    Christian Woman Faints While Being Publicly Flogged for Leaving Islam
    Secularist Endures 'Unbearable' Torture, Prepares for Execution
    Apostate Pastor Blinded with Acid in Uganda
    Children Murdered to Punish Ex-Muslim for Embracing Christianity
    Christian Convert Sentenced to 6 Years in Prison following Baptism
    Iran Orders Ex-Muslim Pastors to Serve Prison Sentences
    Kenyan Convert Stripped and Beaten with Iron Rods at Kenyan Church
    Christian Convert Tied Up and Stomped On
    Five Afghan Christian Converts Martyred...
    Converts from Islam Detained and Beaten
    Christian Convert Survives Brutal Stabbing in "Moderate" Morocco
    Converts to Christianity Ordered to 'Repent' or Face 'Social Boycott'
    Schoolteacher Gunned Down After Converting to Ahmadi Faith
    Man Beheaded for Leaving Islam and Embracing Christianity...
    Christian Girl Tortured and Killed for Leaving Islam...
    Christian Convert Flees after Severe Beating by Family...
    Swedish Imam Calls on Muslims to Kill Converts...
    25 Ex-Muslims Arrested in Iran...
    Morocco Gives Ex-Muslim 15 Years in Jail for 'Proselytizing'...
    14-Year-Old 'Apostate' Girl Unable to Walk after Torture...
    Court Orders Apostate to 'Repent His Christian Faith' or Die...
    Christian Released after 9 Months in prison for Leaving Islam
    New Ground Zero Imam Says Apostates Should be Jailed...
    Muslim Murdered for Intention to Convert to Hinduism...
    Palestinian Couple Declared Apostates, Forcibly Divorced...
    Time Running Out for Apostate Pastor Facing Execution...
    Muslim-American Leaders Challenged to Reject Killing Apostates
    Palestinian Authority Labels Ahmadis 'Apostates'...
    Suicide Bombers Close in on 'Apostate' Pakistan Ahmadi Community...
    'Blessings' Promised to Those who Kill Ahmadiya 'Apostates'
    'Apostate' Ahmadiyahs Brutally Murdered by 'Allah Akbar' Mob
    Man in Britain Beaten with Plank for Leaving Islam...
    Christian Couple Stabbed in Home for Leaving Islam...
    Iranian Christian Beaten to Death by Relative
    21-Year-Old Christian Executed for Leaving Islam...
    Afghan Released after 9 Months in prison for Leaving Islam...
    Christian Father of Ten Executed in Front of Home
    Christian Faces Death Penalty for Leaving Islam...
    Father of 6 Jailed and Beaten for Leaving Islam...
    Tortured Aid Worker Faces Execution for Becoming Christian...
    63-Year-Old Convert & Son Beaten for Leaving Islam...
    Imprisoned Pastor Faces Death Penalty for Leaving Islam...
    Ethiopian Stabbed for Leaving Islam...
    Son Confesses to Killing Father for Leaving Islam...
    17-Year-Old Girl Beaten by Family, in Shackles for Leaving Islam...
    15-Year-Old Girl Attacked with Acid for Leaving Islam...
    Asylum Seekers in Norway Scald Christian Convert with Boiling Water...
    Christian Convert Flees Torture in Bangladesh...
    Christian Convert Beaten to Death...
    False Cattle Theft Charge Used to Stop Christian Convert...
    Egyptian Muslims Attempt to Behead Christian Convert...
    Afghanistan Detains 20 Christian Converts amid Call for Death...
    Torture Fears for Humanitarian Worker Charged with Apostasy...
    Schoolchildren Forced to Watch Execution of Christian Convert...
    Pastor to Hang for Apostasy...
    Islamic Scholars Mull Putting Ex-Muslims to Death...
    Pastors Warned to Return to Islam or Risk Murder...
    Australian Islamists Vow to Murder Ex-Muslims...
    Cleric: Ex-Muslims Should be Reasoned With - Then Killed...
    Egypt Jails Christian Convert Accused of Distributing Bibles...
    Elderly Woman Burned to Death for Converting Family from Islam...
    Christian Convert Executed by Somali Islamists...
    Malaysia: Whipping, Prison and Fines for Anyone Trying to Convert Muslims...
    Bangladeshi Christian Convert Threatened with Death...
    Ethiopian Christian Convert Languishes in Jail over Bibles...
    Bibles Burned, Christian Converts Threatened with Same Fate...
    Family Ordered to 'Sacrifice' Christian Convert Son...
    Judge Tells Christian Convert of His Desire to Kill Her...
    Police Round Up Christian Converts in Iran...
    Comoros Imam who Converts to Christianity is Forced into Hiding
    Elderly Christian Converts Driven from Home...
    Police Rape and Torture Christian Convert - Promise to Release Her if She Will Return to Islam...
    Christian Converts Hunted Down and Beaten in Comoros...
    Son of Murdered Christian Convert Also Faces Death...
    Iran's Parliament Votes to Kill Christian Converts...
    Christian Convert Shot to Death by Devout Muslims...
    Mob Pelts Christian Converts with Rocks...
    Innocent Man Slain After Cleric Declares Ahmadis to be Wajibul Qatl...
    'Moderate' Malaysia Sends Christian Converts to Re-Education Camps...
    Jordan Annuls Marriage of Christian Convert...
    Christian Convert & Wife Beaten, Flee to Save Children...
    New Zealand Christian Convert Goes Underground to Stay Alive...
    Christian Convert Needs Police Protection - in the UK!...
    Genital-Shocking Egyptian Police Detain Christian Convert...
    Ethiopian Islamists Stab Christian Convert's Son...
    Christian Convert (Father of 4) Murdered by Islamists...
    Christian Convert Murdered by Islamic Radicals...
    16-Year-Old Christian Convert has Muslim Man Forced on Her...
    Imam Calls for His Own Son's Murder for Leaving Islam...
    Somali Christian Shot to Death for Leaving Islam...
    Father of Two Shot to Death for Leaving Islam...
    Palestinian Terrorists Butcher and Cut Christian Man into Four Pieces...
    Iran Holds Women in Notorious Prison for Leaving Islam...
    Christian Woman Divorced and Beaten for Leaving Islam...
    Libya Urged to Stop Torturing Christians for Leaving Islam...
    Graphic Video Posted of Man Beheaded for Leaving Islam...
    Christian Beheaded for Leaving Islam...
    Saudi Cuts Out Daughter's Tongue and Burn Her Alive for Leaving Islam...
    Prominent Canada Threatens to Kill Daughter for Leaving Islam...
    Yemen Arrests Nine for Leaving Islam...
    Maldives Cleric Vows to Kill Anyone Leaving Islam...
    Four Christians Sent to Jail for Leaving Islam...
    Elderly Woman Burned to Death for Leaving Islam...
    Malaysia Officially Bars Muslims from Leaving Islam...
    Young Christian Murdered after Leaving Islam...
    Apostate Woman's Fingernails Torn Out by Family...
    Apostate Spat on in the UK, Threatened with Death...
    Poll: 4 in 5 Pakistanis Support Stoning Adulterers, Apostates...
    Iraqi Mujahideen Post Video of 'Apostate' Beheading...
    Harvard Chaplain Defends Killing Apostates...
    Executed Somali Christian was Accused of Apostasy...
    Man Under House Arrest over Son's Apostasy...
    (Canada) Mother Threatens to Kill Apostate Son...
    Apostasy: Iran to Enforce Death Penalty Worldwide?...
    Apostates Suffer Religious Persecution in Britain...
    UK Clerics Refuse to Denounce Killing Apostates...
    Somali Christian Casually Executed for Apostasy...
    Dutch Muslims Assault Apostate...
    Non-Muslims Horrified by Details of Apostate Family's Murder...
    Apostate and Christian Father of 7 Shot Dead in Ethiopia...
    Islamists Post 'Hit List' of Apostates...

    Links to these stories and more can be found at: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/012-apostasy.htm

    ...& so on & so on.

    7 years and only 600 lashes? He got off light in comparison to others. :rolleyes:
     
  5. IzakDavid13

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    So quiet on this thread...
     
  6. Air Langhi

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    Don't think most people know what apostasy is.
     
  7. Master Baiter

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    It's quiet because it's the same ****, different day. I don't know what there is to debate or discuss.
     
  8. chrispbrown

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    This. I get the feeling people want to turn this into a Muslim v Christian thread.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    More backwards assed Middle East Islam oriented crap.

    Yeah humanity !!

    DD
     
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    A rather disappointing yet revealing post from a poster who often tries to pass himself off as just another ordinary moderate Jewish guy who as many others do supports Israel.
     
  11. AroundTheWorld

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    If you had actually read any of his posts, you wouldn't make such a dumb statement.

    Rather revealing post regarding your reading comprehension.
     
  12. IzakDavid13

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    Maybe you should try reading the post & then put your brain into gear before pushing the accelerator on your mouth ( or in this case your keyboard).

    BTW I'm not Jewish. I'm an Australian of Dutch-Indonesian (father) & Assyrian (mother) decent.

    You've heard of the Assyrians? That's the Christian community of Iraq, the same ones that were just blown up by terrorists, practicing the religion of peace, during a Christmas church service, where they were praying for peace, last week.

    The same ones that are having women (mostly little girls) kidnapped, raped & forcibly married and converted. Then if they try to go back home, are executed under the apostasy law...but no, I have no idea of what's going on in the region.

    So many of my Muslim friends are sick of the radical elements and would leave Islam if they could, but if they did their life & the life of their family is endangered because of apostasy laws.

    I don't hate anyone, just presenting the facts. Actually try reading the post, you might learn something.
     
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    He should have stuck to posting Instagram photos on his Tumblr of lamb kabob dinners.
     
  14. GanjaRocket

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    They are so sure they have the right answers to life's questions they are willing to kill. Lol


    Such arrogance.


    And the ones who slightly feel uncomfortable keep insisting they love their religion and will just ignore this like it has nothing to do with them
     
  15. GanjaRocket

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    Muslims have this wet dream about taking over towards the 'end of the world'


    Insane!!!
     

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