Omer Asik Trade. Rumors, Tweets and Updates. (Deadline Dec 20th)

Sorry if its been posted, but Mark Deeks at SBN has a good write up on why Morey still has the edge in an Asik trade:

Read More: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/12/23/5230374/omer-asik-trade-rumors-rockets-nba

 

Fair for the Rockets, but obviously not fair for Philly or else that deal would have already been signed off on and done.

and the reason why Philly wont trade picks AT ALL in the first round has nothing to do with their draft position protection. It has to do with trades. Keep in mind that Hinkie used to be Morey's right hand man, and consummated many of the trades that led up to the Rockets acquiring Harden.

The Tony Wroten trade sort of summed up what Hinkie will try to do on a large scale later on. The Sixers are planning a very aggressive trade spree over the next 24 months that will net them one if not multiple studs to rebuild with.

Asik is obviously not a target for them. If Hinkie was to acquire him, it would only be because he considers him a player that only helps his collection of trade assets, not hurts it.

Forget about ever getting another first round pick from Hinkie. Those picks might as well be locked up in Fort Knox unless you have that young rebuilding block player that Hinkie is wanting to trade for or a lower pick in the draft for which he might use his picks to move down for his target players.

 

Yeah, I fully expect Hinkie to test the Hawes waters closer to the deadline, with an Asik deal in place as his fallback plan.

 

Agree
Philadelphia wants picks and young players (dmo?)

and has to offer : Turner , Hawes , Young
and can take bad contracts that end after the next season maximum.

 

looking at morey draft history in the 1st round
i rather get two unprotected 2nd round picks than a 1st round pick

 

D-Mo is almost certainly the type of player Hinkie would love to have. Can afford to play him heavy minutes, knows his strengths/weaknesses better than anyone, and can really take a player like him with low value, and really boost it up to a player worth alot more than he is today. Would be a very easy trade piece for Hinkie to covet in any deal.

If we are close to the deadline, and no teams have offered picks for Hawes, I would suspect that Asik/D-Mo for Hawes might gain traction without picks coming back for Houston except maybe a 2nd rounder.

Still in that situation you have to look at it from Hinkie's perspective on how he values Asik vs the cap space he could use next year to acquire salary in a trade. That would be the one negative I could see. Understanding he's on a 1 year deal after this one, and he helps his growing young players by providing a defensive anchor should lend Hinkie to still wanting to acquire Asik on the cheap.

However without a pick, and only getting Hawes' expiring contract, I'm not sure Morey wouldn't rather just keep Asik next year instead. I think Morey ends up dealing Asik somewhere else at the deadline to a team that needs Asik's services much more than Philly does. The key word in describing deal is the word "Need" when it comes to the other teams thinking and if they will give up anything of real value for Asik.

Also, I do think the Celtics will be able to conjure up more "need" when Rondo gets back on the court, and they figure out that they are closer to being good than being bad. Definitely still keep an eye on them.

 

How about Hawes and Young for Asik and DMo?

 

Good win now trade if there ever was one. Makes the team very deep on the front line & versatile.

However, trade doesn't work out perfect. Would probably have to throw in Brewer or Garcia's salary to make the deal work.

For Philly, that is alot to give up, but you'd have the think that the process was to clear Young's long term contract off the books for the foreseeable future. I'd think that they could do better than just Asik & D-Mo if they packaged both players in separate deals. They might be able to get a 1st rounder for Hawes alone at the deadline for all we know. It all depends on what Hinkie thinks of keeping Young's salary on the books long term & what Morey thinks about his chances of getting a better players than Thad Young later on and if he could move Young for cap space later on if needed.

Hard to tell that with so many assumptions, either of these GM's and their methodical brains could ever come to grips with doing this deal.

 

To be honest, I don't think they'd bite if we didn't add in the 2014 NY 2nd rounder. Or switched out Dmo for Terrence Jones.

From our perspective, Dmo would make more sense, of course; he gets no PT on the Rockets. But Thad Young would take Jones' minutes anyway.

I'm still thinking Boston wants Asik more, depending on the state of the Atlantic Division when Rondo comes back (in late January? or, if tanking looks possible for the Celtics, in February?)

If Boston can cough up a draft pick that doesn't suck, I'd still look at a 3-way with Philly, as they still want to trade Young, who would do us some good, while we really need Hawes, who could, uh, do us some great (?).

Ahem.

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But....but...if we trade for Young we won't be able to get Kevin Love 1.67 seasons from now when he's a free agent and Dwight is pushing 30!

 

Zach Lowe:

Channing Frye's name came up in various three-team trade proposals that would have sent Omer Asik elsewhere​

 

If we somehow ended up with picks and Frye, I'd be really happy. He's shooting 42.1% from 3 this year. Only problem is he has a Player Option for next year of 6.8 Million.

I haven't watched that many Suns games this year, but why is he only playing 27 minutes a game? Heart related stuff?

 

If Channing Frye is healthy to play major minutes, then I'd be all for that. He fits what we're trying to do here PERFECTLY.

 

I don't mind Channing's game. But a "Fry" is a small fish and I don't want aquatically themed NBA players because they are bad luck.

 

Because their coach doesn't feel the need to drive his players into the ground....?

Besides, the Suns have Markieff and others to take minutes at the big spot.

I remember Steve Kerr as an announcer talking about the Asik situation at a Houston game and, "What about Asik for Channing Frye?" Morey laughed it off on 790 that Suns part-owner Kerr was negotiating on live TV.

If we got only Frye for Asik, I'd be quite disappointed, but as a 24 mpg big, he'd be ok.

 

Apologies in advance for the double post in Cats article thread. Didn't want to start a new thread and didn't know which this post should go in so posting here too in case it fits the discussion here better.


If morey's play here is to acquire a FA like Love who hits the open market in summer of 2015, then the target timeframe to acquire him would be around this time next year before the trade deadline. Assuming Minnesota knows Love is going to leave, they'll be shopping for the very best package for him.

Here's how I predict the buyers market to be:

1) teams love is willing to sign long term with
2) of those teams what assets can they offer Minnesota

This determines the market price and what Morey is looking for (in part) for Asik. If he is all in for 2015 FA, then Morey might forego getting even a real impact player in return and just an expiring contract and the highest pick he can get. Why not just try to get back an unprotected or top 5 protected pick in 2015 since that might be easier to get than a 2014 pick? A 2015 pick would be more transferable than a 2014 pick (already drafted) assuming a trade goes down next year.

We'd have available to trade next year:
Picks
- our own 2015 1st round pick
- our own 2017 1st round pick
- whatever pick we can get for Asik
Players
- valuable players in TJones, Dmo, Lin, Bev, whatever player we can get for Asik, whatever player we draft in the 1st round in 2014


Am I missing anything?

If Moreys play is to put together a package that can beat any other team that meets the above criteria, is that enough?

I think the major buyers would be:
Clippers
Picks
- They could offer their 2017 1st rounder (2015 belongs to Boston so I don't think they can trade their 2016 if I'm not mistaken)

Players
- could offer Blake. He'd be locked up until 2017 so Minnesota would delay the problem of convincing a star to stay with them for 2 more years.
- whatever player they draft in the 2014 1st round
(Most everyone else they'd trade expires or has just one year left on their contract by next year)

Lakers
Picks
- Hahahaha!!!!!! Sorry this just feels good to me....

Players
- whatever players of value they can sign this coming summer on value contracts
- whoever they draft in the 2014 1st round draft

(Lakers have a ton of cap space to absorb some contracts if that's what Minnesota wanted)

Chicago
Picks
- 2015 1st
- 2017 1st

Players
- they have two 2014 1st so whichever 2 players they pick
- they could trade boozer to match salaries as an expiring

(I don't know how what they'll do with deng affects any of this. Also I'd think Love would think twice about going to a team who's future is uncertain with Rose)

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Some other teams I haven't really looked into (spurs, okc, warriors) I can't see love wanting to go to a team that isn't one piece (him) from being serious title contenders. Otherwise he'd just stay with Minnesota.

If Minnesota wants to keep trying to build a contender than Blake is a nice consolation. The clippers can't offer as much by way of picks though. If they'd go for a quick rebuild than we could offer as much as anyone could assuming we trade Asik for a 1st along with young guys in TJ and Dmo.

Assuming DM is shooting for 2015 FA's, what package beats all others out there?

 

Good player for our system !

 

How would you feel if we just renamed him Raef Lafrentz?

 

Doesn't seem to make much sense for the Suns unless they are just trying to clear room for the Morris duo. Thanks for passing along.

 

Probably want markief Morris & are looking for cap room for him & Marcus for long term plans. They've proven they okay good together in high school to NBA

 

We need a PF how can control Dirk, Aldridge, Griffin and Duncan.
For me that is more important than if the PF can hit 3s.