1) Players got good at it as a higher % tactic vs trying to contest the shot which could lead to a foul or missed rebound 2) Refs got terrible at calling it in terms of the offensive player already taking off, bc all they do nowadays is look to see if the defender's feet are in front of the line. 3) Basketball is a fluid game that shouldn't be about stopping play, which is partially why college is changing the charge rules bc was worse than the NBA last year. 4) Players don't stop-n-pop Calvin Murphy style from 6 ft as much anymore.
Like he doesn't now? The guy gets called for 1.5 fouls per game. Tighten up charging calls and that might go down to 1.0 and create a monster.
If they stopped calling so many charge calls it would eliminate these pathetic flops. Since the refs an't tell what a flop is.
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You are confusing flopping with real "taking a charge." Why is it not good defense to get in the way legally of the offensive player?
It's the smartest move in basketball, because the league and it's refs have made it so that every bit of contact is called for a foul. Attempting to take a charge is 1000x times more beneficial to a team than attempting to contest a shot. It's not even close. I hate it, but it's the smart move.
A legal flop is still a flop. All flops are still legal till this day, all you get is a warning after the game.
That's just pathetic. Imagine no one ever contest a shot any more, every player just tries to take charges all day. The NBA would be dead.
100% agree which is why they need to dial it back so there is more incentive to contest vs. take a charge.
The charging call is one of the major reasons why basketball is different than hockey and football. And didn't baseball just get rid of catchers blocking home plate? Brute force is the antithesis of the grace of basketball.
But when the offensive player is still on the floor dribbling or picking up his dribble, what does it mean to contest the shot. Let's not be abstract here, give us concrete example of charge vs contesting a shot. Y'all make it sound like the defender has a choice. You can't contest a shot when the defender isn't shooting. I'd say its rare that a help defender can choose between the two
You didn't get my point. A flop and a real taking a charge is not the same thing. A flop is when there is no or little contact and the player fabricates a foul call. A real taking a charge is when the defender take the LEGAL space BEFORE the offensive player. That's good fundamental defense. It takes good timing and good lateral quickness plus COURAGE to take a good charge. Like someone pointed out, a real charge hurts. There's nothing cowardly about taking a charge. On the contrary, swiping with your hands without moving your feet is weak and cowardly defense. Ever heard the age-old teaching, "Defend with your feet, not with your hands"? Good defensive players move their feet. It's the most basic defensive fundamental. You always move your feet and try to put your body between the offensive player and the basket. Now if you are complaining about how the foul is CALLED, then that's another story. I believe that today's players fall at the contact because that's how it is called. If you don't fall, they don't call a charge even if there is heavy contact. In fact, most of the time they will call a defensive foul even though the offensive player initiated the contact. So there is really no incentive for the defender to try to stay upright when the contact happens.
It's not that rare when it comes to drives for layups. The only shot contesters are legit blockers, but 5 years ago, the NBA went the route of emphasizing allowing defenders to run to a spot w/in the restricted area and jump straight up so that the body contact of a driver would be deemed legal. That's an art. That happened a lot due to the crappy fouls Yao was getting called for, imo. That temporary emphasis ended after one year. I know this because I use to NBAtv's officiating show, while it was on the air for a few years. There's this great show special on ESPN that aired before the NCAA season hosted by Jay Bilas doing panel discussions with all ACC coaches (divided into 3 separate shows). There's about 15 good minutes dedicated purely to talking about charge calls and the philosophy of basketball...really great stuff that isn't ever talked about. The only other times it gets talked about is on trash tv like Around the Horn where commentators look for 1-liners instead of analysis. Anyhow, there was great discussion and these are the main points: reffing is hard, so it's easy to screw up the charge call the art of defending a drive and finding a spot, jumping straight up, and trying to block a shot w/o fouling is very hard, so coaches teach players to run to a spot and get the charge call b/c it's easier the charge is an equalizer in terms of talent...the less talented a college team is, the more a charge is utilized as a defensive weapon the charge call the way it has been in college hoops in not congruent with the purity of basketball, since it's supposed to be a fluid up and down game, not a game of plays divided up like football Coach K from Duke thinks the new rules will suck bc officials won't have the capacity to properly enforce it. Coach Boeheim from Syracuse believes that it should lead to better basketball. IMO, the charge is supposed to happen when the defender is clearly planted, has the right to his space, and the offender has ample opportunity to choose to go around, straight up, or fade, but instead decides to bull over the defender. What hurts the game for me, is when the driver has a clear path or creates a great drive and the defender runs directly to a spot essentially making the contact unavoidable. It stops play and results in either free throws or a charge call. If you're running to a spot, jump up and defend in the air like you should in pure basketball. Most of the time, imo, offensive players are unable to stop their momentum in this circumstance, especially when they've already lifted off towards the basket. The refs have become so dependent upon the charge circle, that they care (perhaps unintentionally) more about making sure the defender is outside the circle than if the defender allowed the offensive player to make a damn decision to pull up or go around. It's a combination of bad reffing, faster players, and the lost art of the pull up close jumper. Hoops philosophically is about reading and reacting to the defense and adjusting appropriately. The abuse and deterioration of the charge call has made this aspect of the game a race to a spot...no more thinking, no more reading the D, no more control, just purely a sprint to spot that leads to the stoppage of a fluid game. It sucks.
Yeah exactly, I'm not saying he doesn't now but changing the rules in that manner would just ruin everything. There is a huge difference between flopping and legitimately taking a charge. Its not cowardly or anything, its good defence if you rotate well and a defender tries to go through you, you have a right to your space.
Terrible video to prove your point. Ginobili contested him the way you wanted him to and got steamrolled, standard charge. Funny enough he didn't even flop like he usually would. So you want the rule where you just have to ram your way through? Lebron would average 50...
