With Harden out and the win today, I decided to look at the games he's missed this season.

This thread

 

Number on policy of clutchfans :

Do NOT post pix of self if you are Asian. Doing so undermines any and all your opinions.

I am being a bit sarcastic, but obviously jocar does really feel that way.

 

I won't claim to know how jocar feels except to say that this kind of debating tactic is ultimately cowardly. It's the kind of mud slinging everyone claims to hate in politics.

It has no place on a sports forum.

 

Maybe it has nothing to do with his race and it has everything to do with the fact that he's wearing a lin jersey......... gotcha

 

Shouldn't have posted. I'm out of this debate. Race is far too sensitive an issue to be talked about on a sports forum. For the record I'm not racist at all. I'm a huge lin fan and my best friend is asian. I also think asian girls are attractive. Peace I'm out of this debate. There's no way to come out a winner in race debates

 

So wearing a Rockets jersey with number seven means you cannot criticise Harden or start a discussion based on stats about team assists?

Langal suggested if the pic had been of a white guy it wouldn't have been posted. I'm guessing he's probably right.

 

You really think jocar would have dragged up image of the op and posted if op was a white guy wearing a Lin jersey? OP has been on the board for almost a decade.

 

No one else would make such a stupid suggestion. Go to any other basketball forum, read or listen to any professional analysts, and come back here and post one that has even brought up such a topic as "the Rockets might be better if Harden wasn't here". Only Lin fans do that.

 

No it doesn't at all, in fact I have a number 7 lin jersey (and a 13 beard jersey). I never claimed that OP had no right to start this thread or offer his educated thoughts. I just claimed that its unfair to automatically assume the pic was because OPs race and not OPs jersey.

Yes he is probably right about race being the main reason. Not definitely but probably. I agree with the character and subtance behind your posts, seriously. I really do. Now that that's clarified I actually am out of this convo for good.

 

You're a fool if you think he actually means the team would be better without Harden.

It's pretty clear that he's trying to have a discussion about the team being better off if Harden plays more team ball. This team has very poor assists. He's saying it's possible that the way Harden plays right now is part of the problem but that it's a small sample size to draw any solid conclusions.

So it's not whether the team would be better without Harden. But would the team be better with Harden not trying to do everything himself?

That's the discussion I see here and it's a valid discussion to have.

Either way posting a picture of a person in a rockets jersey to discredit them rather than address the stats based arguement they are making is an act of cowardice.

 

You're telling me that you've never heard ppl say that guys like Melo, Dominique Wilkins, Kobe, Bob McAdoo, Clyde Drexler, etc. might have a detrimental effect on their teams. These are ball dominant, super talented players who shoot first.

Lin fans are the first to ever bring this up? OP has been a Rocket fan for a long time. I think for you to post a pic of him is beyond bad taste. And you are lying if his race wasn't a factor in your actions.

 

No I don't think that. Race probably was the reason. I guess I just didn't jump to that conclusion right away. After giving it more thought, I agree more along the lines of what you and chemistry are saying.

Please don't put me in a box or think I'm the enemy based on a comment that just claimed I wasn't jumping to conclusions. That's the scary thing about words, they can trap people. In reality my judgments and thoughts are changing all the time. If any of y'all knew me in person y'all would probably think I'm at least a decent open minded guy.

I've claimed I'm done with this conversation two times before but the 3rd times the charm. I'm actually out. Thanks to anyone for reading my weird late night rant. Hopefully the race talk ends soon...

 

Apparently, the clown stomping George did to Harden the other night really went to his head. DNP Coaches decision? LOL, what a girl.

Kobe would never give in so easily as this, nor would a player like Drexler even.

Harden is the sharman soft of NBA SG's. The beard is just a disguise to hide what a little child he is. He needs to shave the beard and grow some nuts and man up.

 

Dumb trolling is dumb.

He was injured. We know he's been struggling with injury this season. Do you only put on your tin foil hat when you go online or is it on all the time?

 

Resorting to personal attacks and bringing up photos (really? photos?!?!) of another poster in an attempt to discredit what that person is saying just makes you look like an ass to the people who know better.

Bad arguments are bad arguments, and good arguments are good arguments, regardless of who is making them. If you can't or won't engage in the substance of the debate, then leave the room and let the adults do the talking.

Seriously, anyone with a modicum of intelligence could point to a variety of reasons why the OP's post is making a flawed argument. But instead of just pointing to the obvious and having a rational discussion about the content of his post, you have to internet stalk someone and post a photo of the guy? To what end?

 

If he's injured to the point where he is as ineffective as he was against the Pacers, then why is he playing to begin with?

It's all an excuse, imo. Harden got exposed big time, so coach sat him out to try and extinguish the criticism he's going to receive for being made a b**** on national television. Blame it on injuries, blame it on partying or whatever you want, its all excuses.

If he's hurt, he should not be playing. Period. We are a young team, we don't need to risk the future of our players on this season alone. Even if we're completely healthy, its very unlikely we win the championship this year anyway. There are a few teams ahead of us, still.

 

No, I'm not afraid of any debate with someone whose opinions will not change because they revolve around one player. Frankly, I see more of a desire to complain, lash out, finger point, bash when any Lin fans mention Harden, and it has gotten very old. Maybe you or the OP are not guilty of the Harden hate gettin spewed, but more times than not, it's a Lin fan who's always point out everything negative about Harden. The same ones who never give credit when it's due. When there's no Lin to cheer for or prop up, they bash Harden in his stead. And that's all they ever have to contribute to this fansite. I'll go to bed now, while you bandwagoners sit at your computers and bust out the race card on another asian. (lol.)

 

Everyone who believes that we're better off without him is pretty ignorant. However, Howard should be getting however many looks he's asking for. We can't get the same looks without Harden. It'll just be a matter of time before teams figure out what we're doing without him and just load up on Howard. Parsons is a very nice player, but I'm not sure that he can frequently go off for 35 the way that Harden and Howard can.

 

Anyone with a "modicum" of intelligence wouldn't be posting on clutchfans to begin with. If you can't tell by now, the GARM is a cesspool for ignorance and mouth slobbering. Yet, the out of all of the reputation points I have earned on this board, none of them came from intelligent discussion, but just from witty comments I made or jokes. Speaking intelligently here is strongly discouraged.

 

Harden needs to learn to trust certain players more. For instance, he needs to feel more comfortable passing to Parsons at the end of the shot clock.

I think watching a game from the sideline has helped Harden so far this season so far . . . so let's hope it does that same this time . . .