ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Pacers 12/20/2013

Stars react to stars. There is more respect factor there. Harden looks to get Howard more then anyonelse on this team. Bev and Lin are not stars.

 

Which is why we must trade those 2 and get a real star.

 

That's a poor reason. Egos getting in the way. It's not like any of them has a ring.

 

welcome to the NBA. Even Olajuwon struggled with trusting his teammates until Clyde came.

 

Too many stars don't work all the time.

See lakers last year, and nets this year (albeit the older version of their star selves).

3 stars on their prime would eat a lot of cap space. Not unless they will sacrifice and take pay cuts.

Imo, just two stars with great role players are more practical than 3 stars and average roleplayers.

 

We throw a lot of threes, rondo will not fit here. Not unless we will learn a new system and run set plays, which will cater to rondo's style.

Dwight and rondo are also polar opposites personality wise. Dwight likes to goof sometimes and rondo is always a competitor. Locker room issues will mushroom everywhere. Not good imo.

 

Team wins, bench was good don't need Lin, trade him.
Team loses, we need Lin and Asik big time.
Auto repeat

 

I hate it when people on this forum make excuses for a humiliating loss.

example:
- its only one game
- Lin & Asik were out
- Harden and Parsons were coming off injuries
- we just had a bad shooting night
- they were just extremely hot shooting
- Blah blah blah blah blah

What I saw was that we were completely outclassed by a superior opponent and nowhere near ready for prime time.

We have huge question marks over Harden's development as a franchise player and have glaring weaknesses at positions 1 & 4.

STOP MAKING EXCUSES. ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS STARTING WITH THE COACHING.

 

I for one am going to chill. morey is not omnipotent. This team is at 5th spot and going to be in 2nd round with luck. lucky to be a pretentious top team

 

This is true. Again, let's don't make too much of this game. It was just a game in which nothing worked. FG% 38, 3pt% 18 and FT% 54. It is not possible to win games with those numbers in the NBA. I would also refrain from killing the bench for this. The real nose dive happened in the 3rd Q, in which, I believe, only the starters played. That was a -11 Q as was the 4th Q when the bench played. When the bench came in the 4th, the game was already lost. No chance to turn it around.

When we analyse the team, we should expect that the starters stay at pace with the opponents. Even when playing bad they should keep the difference within 10 points. The Houston bench can win games right now when it is back to normal. I agree that it is not reasonable to expect the bench to do that when Lin and Asik are out. Brooks is not a playmaker. Lin is way better in it. Without Asik, the Rockets bench become notoriously small and can't handle it in D. Remember, Casspi and Garcia do not create their shots. They need a playmaker to become effective. During the Lin and Asik absence it has become clear.

Asik staying in the team, and I hope he has learned his lesson (I mean, if he wants to get traded, he better play really well), and Lin recovering from the injury, the Rockets will look much, much better. So try to recover from the typical fan bipolar status of mind and try to see the whole picture.

 

understanding we're growing but it's so frustrating when i want to see the team perform and show everyone on prime time tv what we see all the time we tend to lose these games i felt this same way when we played the clips. hopefully time will cure it. when our shots fall we can beat anyone but they tend not to fall it seems when the pressure is on more often than not and when we do get to the playoffs i'm not sure what to expect.

 

We will need more than what we have due to defense being the key to win a championship. We lack defense and defenders. Too many one way type players. Coaching is not there. We have won championships before but it seems we fail to make this team like those teams... it's like we are trying to be like San Antonio except our diversity and foreigners suck.

 

Rockets are 4-5 since the Spurs game.

 

Doc wasn't talking about the Rockets...

T_Man

 

Sorry Doc.

Should've started by saying i agree with you.

 

Jones may be. He's going through growing pains now and he'll be inconsistent. Beverley is a nice back up energy guy but doesn't have the offensive game or mentality to start. Jones does, he's just not executing and is making the mistakes a guy getting used to starting makes.

 

I totally agree, you can have too many star players. The Rockets are perfect in that they have 2 stars plus 2 guys that play like stars sometimes in Harden, Howard, Parsons and Lin. They have a big 4. They don't have the perfect chemistry yet but in time they will. Asik is also a big time player but I doubt he can stay. The rest are more or less role players. I wish we had a Ray Allen type, that veteran that can make big plays and hit the big 3 in the end of quarters.

 

Another one who gets it. It's personalities and style that matter, not stats and what a guy does in a totally different system. Rondo is a Kobe type, and how well did Kobe and Dwight get along? And Rondo doesn't get along with a lot of people. Those wishing for Rondo aren't really looking well at the total Rondo.

 

The most depressing loss of the season

You suddenly realize we still have a long way to go. All those losses to bad teams start to make sense. Set the expectations lower and get everyone healthy. We may have to sacrifice games to rest Harden and Parsons.

Coaches need to reboot and find a better game plan when the pnr is not working. Btw I saw Harden coming off screens in the CHI game. Where were those last night to run George off of him?

Also if we see Harden holding on to the ball too much, can we get the ball out of his hands? Why do they keep expecting him to start the play?

 

For a long term no but for a 3 year contract I beg to differ. Melo has MUCH less around him and has been trying to hero-ball all year. Put him on a team with Howard, Parsons and Lin, with an average SG...I'll take that everyday over our starting 5.