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Freedom of speech apparently only for liberals

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Dec 19, 2013.

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  1. bigtexxx

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    Looks like you need remedial Government 101 and a better understanding of the concept of freedom of speech.
     
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    nice try but I wasn't referring to anything government related
     
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    A&E, a private company under no influence from the federal government decided to fire Robertson not for his views, but probably because those views and the backlash associated with them would hurt ratings for the TV show or hurt the company image.

    I see nothing wrong with this.

    Lefties get a moral victory.
    And Righties can't complain about the process, so maybe indifference for them?

    Win-winish.
     
  5. CometsWin

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    That's what freedom of speech refers to so maybe you should study up for you're already in over your head.
     
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    Media is opinion-driven.

    Does it bother you that homosexuals have so much power now that respecting them as a group is a default option?

    The duck guy can live on whatever means he wants, but if he espouses views as a media figure that his media outlet thinks is negative to their business line, they'll pull him. It's the business of media. Be popular or die.

    Disrespecting homosexuals is a negative. It's been a long time coming.

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  7. bigtexxx

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    What about disrespecting a man's religious beliefs? Only OK to bash Christians?
     
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    I think it was a dumb decision by A&E to fire Phil. He's a central part of the show, and with his firing, Duck Dynasty ratings will go down, unless they replace him with more Mountain Man. A&E also has to understand their demographics that watch the show. I don't think they'll gain more of the LBGT demographic by this move, and I highly doubt they had much of that viewership to begin with.

    I don't agree with his opinion, but he's entitled to it.
     
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    You can't dictate social norms anymore than I can. In the past Christian beliefs reigned king and morals and ethics were inseparable from Christian foundation. Times have changed BigTexxx. If the government goes out there and discriminates against Christians then yes, that is a problem but they are not.

    You can't control society.
    Social norms drive morality and right now that morality has Christian archaic beliefs in the crosshairs. Now you can go out there and conform to what society deems right or wrong, or you can be ridiculed for holding onto your archaic views. Nobody is forcing you to do anything and don't victimize yourself here BigTexxx. You disrespect poor people, liberals, LBGT groups, and black people ALL THE TIME. That is your right to freedom of speech and you get ridiculed for them. Freedom of Speech does not entitle everyone else to agree with you.

    There is no wrong here.
     
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    ZzzzZZzzzZZZZ... the show is fast approaching sharks ville. They have exhausted stories about the immediate family and soon will run out of stories about Martin and Godfrey. I've already moved on to Alaska The Final Frontier and soon I will get bored with them and there will be a new odd family to watch.
     
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    would you say Jewish and Muslim beliefs are also "archaic" and discriminatory?
     
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    #1 rated in cable history
     
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    Yes. I would say any and all religion that promotes proselytizing is archaic and discriminatory because the act of proselytizing carries with it the subconscious assumption that said religion is better than others.
    Difference is, I don't live in a Muslim or Jewish-dominated country. This country is dominated with Christian hivemind archaism and thankfully society is starting to stamp them out.
    Would I support a dismantlement of the Muslim or Jewish religion? Of course, but only if dissent came from the inside.

    Its a domestic problem Texx.
     
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    If you're a media figure, and you want to go ahead and say all Christians are child-lovers, be a LITTLE bit surprised if you're fired.

    of course, you can say it. but accept the consequences if that's your job. The money that's paid to you is because you're in the public eye, if you're bad at managing that, well, no soup for you.
     
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    dumb move by A&E. They'll garner more negative press from their actual audience then they would have from people who never watch their show.

    To what, protect their name brand which is associated with top tier intellectual programming like hoarders?
     
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    From someone that is in tune with the business world I would expect you to understand this. That was a business decision from A&E. People will boycott the show and their channel gets a bad image. To prevent that from happening, they fired him. Can he say what he wants? Yea. He just did and he still can. That doesn't mean A&E has to put up with it especially if what he says is televised and puts their station in a bad position.
     
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    What did Miley Cyrus say?

    Anyway, these people are employed by the network. If the network doesn't want someone making those comments, it is up to them. Food network fired Paula deen for previously using the n word. Conservative or liberal, the comment is more unpopular than popular...as shown by removing the guy from the show.
     
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    Yeah, they should have fired Miley too. :rolleyes: (And yeah, what did she say?)

    It's interesting in that we are holding tv personalities to a standard that is somewhat outdated, I think. What did people expect his views to be? And is the LGBT community watching Duck Dynasty? I guess contributing to the success of an individual who many people will now see as a bigot puts their existence at risk rather than just the show's existence, so I understand the dismissal. I mean, was anyone truly surprised, by his views or the result of spouting them?

    Sure from a social and business perspective he probably should have kept his potentially volatile opinions to himself, but really I don't think all of today's TV personalities are necessarily watched as role models as perhaps they once may have been. Some shows are just to show you what a trip some people are, and that's going to include volatility. TV today is more train wrecks than role models, in many ways.
     
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    lol at the comments there.


    Besides, this guy looks like a racist, you know, tessie's type of guy. Next thing you know tessie will be throwing a fit when this dude says the N word and something else happens.

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    I'm completely in support of A&E's right to terminate the guy...no problem there.

    But I have a hard time imagining where this backlash would come from if they kept him on. It's not like we previously thought this guy was a champion for gay rights. If you'd asked me before where he stood on the subject, I would have guessed correctly.

    They show him because he's a freak...an oddity...different, culturally, than most who watch. They're certainly entitled to fire him...but I don't think his stated opinions were shocking given the source...and I can't imagine that people who previously watched this show would stop watching it because he said what we all expected he would likely say when asked on that sort of topic.
     

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