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Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OldfanofTmac, Dec 13, 2013.

  1. Rocknation

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    Beverley still has time to improve. It's not our team. It belongs to Les Alexander. We will see how well Bev plays the entire year. I give him 1 full season before i make a judgement on him. So far, not so hot.
     
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    His offence tonight...he look ok.
     
  3. ed_tx

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    My buddy and I were counting how many times Bev left his man open or gave him easy shots last year in the playoffs and both Jackson and Fisher lit him up. Bev was more concerned about trying to double on Durant and kept leaving his man open to do it. And we got burned plenty due to that.
     
  4. ed_tx

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    Bev looked great tonight. He shot the ball well, was aggressive driving to the basket and he made some really nice passes too. I still wish he would get a few more assist but he was a big part of the reason why we built our lead. However, we've seen flashes of this before- he just needs to get more consistent. Also, it was the Bulls who literally were playing DJA who they just signed the other day as their primary point guard.
     
  5. Billionzz

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    Beverley has some good games and plays good but he isn't good enough to be the starter. Lin needs to be the starter and that would open the offense up even more, hopefully one day Mchale will regain control of his mind and put Lin back as the starter.
     
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    I want Lin to start too but last night made a case for Lin to be used on the second unit. The second unit needs help and the Rockets need the second unit to be better to beat good teams.
     
  7. Midixinormous

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    Have you been watching the rockets games? The offense is fine, whats hold the rockets back is defense and consistent bench play.
     
  8. gene18

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    Defense is a team effort. Al our players have to get better on defense.
     
  9. gene18

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    Beverly frequently leaves his man or loses his man because he watches the ball. He lost Thomas the other day and thomas got a backdoor layup because he was watching the ball instead of his man. He does this frequently. He also immediately leaves his man when the ball is shoot so he can get the rebound.
     
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    Brooks also handled the loss of Westbrook badly. He asked Durant to handle everything. He couldn't do it. OKC won when other players on OKC contributed more.
     
  11. gene18

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    No need to denigrate Bev. He is not a scrub. He does make his presence felt on the court. I just don't think he has the skill set to be as effective as Lin.
     
  12. GoRox2013

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    Correction, you want Lin to start for reasons outside of basketball:rolleyes:


    The team's playing very good and the offense is as "open" as its ever been. All the criticism you've conjured up for P. Bev has backfired the last few games. It seems the Lin brigade's slowly dying off
     
  13. bws

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    Oh please. Lin is the stronger offensive player and would open up the offense. Harden played well last night, didn't force the issue so much. A game where T Jones gets as many assists as Harden and Beverley goes to the line more than Harden is not a typical Rockets game. It is for basketball reasons that people will make an argument for Lin to start, he's the better offensive player and it's not close. You can't even see that some posters are saying Lin should start because overall he's the best point guard on the Rockets, not because he's Lin. He and Harden also have played fantastically together and the coaching staff did not develop their chemistry nor are they developing the chemistry between Lin and Howard.
     
  14. bws

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    You have to wonder about all these so called "Rockets fans" complaining about Lin and his fans. Lin can make the team better. So why denigrate him and limit him, use him to the team's best advantage if you really want a better Rockets team. They are so busy putting up another player over Lin, or one they'd like to get in a trade like Rondo, they can't even see what Lin has done good for the team, what he's capable, his relative inexperience in the league and how he's improving, how he's a great team guy, and other good attributes he has, but all of that in the team context of how his play could benefit the team. No, they have to go on and on and on and on and on, day in day out on LOF and other such nonsense that they can't see a simple fact: Lin is a Rockets point guard. And when people say he should start, use him more, show his stats or whatever and it is in a team concept, recognize that vs. Lin over anything else which I don't see a lot of.
     
  15. gene18

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    I think the uproar is about how unusual starting a skills limited rookie over a more talented player. This is very odd and is an outling event in the NBA. I cannot recall when this has happened. I am sure this is an infrequent event. I do not know of any other team in the NBA that is currently doing this.
    When management does very unusual things they get questioned. Tony Douglas was substituted in the 4th quarter last year for Lin, ostensibly for the same reason-better defense and for being a spark plug. He was traded in the middle of the year and he is now riding the bench on another team. I saw Tony play in NY and he was awful. Hollinger stated this. Many of my college basketball players thought Tony was horrible. Yet he supplanted Lin in the fouth quarter. I still am not satisfied by McHales explainations. In that situation there was an uproar as well because Mangements behvior was not clear and quite odd.
    BTW Morey said at the end of last year that Lin's defense was good according to his numbers. Coach Nick (BBALL Brakedown) also stated that Lin is good on defense, especially help defense. Your own data from synergy touched on how good Lin is, yet you ignore it and are puzzled why there is an uproar.
     
  16. Haymitch

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    Patrick Beverley played for the Rockets last year in 41 games. He's not a rookie.
     
  17. gene18

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    ESPN's announcers called Tony Douglas a great defender last year as well. Our announcer also called Tony a great defende and spark plug. Where is he now?
     
  18. gene18

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    I stand corrected. He has limited experience and played very few minutes last year to be more accurate.
     
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    I think most Rockets fans want what is best for the team and at this stage the team is best served with Lin coming off the bench and being the main offensive option on that second unit. The first unit has no issues with scoring, what they need is D and Bev is a better defender. The 2nd unit needs scoring and a primary ball handler and Lin is the best fit here.

    Also, most Rockets fans know that Lin is a really talented player and has improved drastically this season. The only reason they bring up LOF is because of the several obnoxious and totally false accusations that Lin fans bring up. I went to Jeremylin.net just one day and it is ridiculous the amount of hate Rockets fans, players, coach etc get from the LOF's. From calling Bev a "monkey" to the Rox organization "racists" to wishing injury on Rockets players to wanting us to do bad and lose every game all because Lin is apparently being mis-treated.

    Now, I am not putting you in the same boat as those guy but a lot of those comments reflect badly on the posters here whose comments seem eerily similar to those voiced by LOF's
     
  20. bws

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    I agree with you. It's disrespectful to put your player over a team in their own forum. But I feel baiting doesn't help and guys doing that should let any kind of obnoxious fan stay in their cave and not try to bait them out or mix in members who aren't doing that with those that do it.
     

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