Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

That's where we disagree Lin is by no means a pass first point guard, and I'm not comparing Bev and Lin, I think Lin is a better player overall but I do think for this team Bev is better with the starters and Lin doing his thing off the bench.

 

Look dude, I've been polite and non-combative with you, stop trying to infer lack of basketball knowledge. If Lin was the primary scorer in Dantoni system yes he could score that much as could a lot of similar players to Lin the problem is there are too many variables there, Lin would not be 1st option above Kobe or even Pau.

 

That's because I base my statement on facts while you base it on your dislike of Lin.

Lin's spg during his career

10-11 2.5 spg
11-12 10.9 spg (Linsanity)
12-13 10.9 spg started all 82 games for the playoff bound rockets
13-14 9.1 spg

Lin doesn't shoot that much. It's a fact.

Now for Rockets' history APG

1. John Lucas 7.3
2. Steve Francis 6.3
3. Art Williams 6.0
4. Jeremy Lin 5.7

 

Not taking a ton of shots does not mean he is a pass first pg. and 5.7 apg is not something to be proud of. He has a scorers mentality and when he penetrates he can dish it to open guys. You just proved you are a lof, if someone doesn't agree with you they must hate Lin, I like him and would prefer him to stay on the rockets but I don't think he is a star like you do is all. This type of retort is what makes people attack Lin supporters there is no grey area it's either he's a star or you're a hater.

 

Using Spiegel's flowchart ... I'm confused.

How can a Jul 2012er call out a 2008er for being a LOF?

 

Being number #4 APG in Rockets history and taking on avg less than 10 spg does mean he is pass first. Now if that is something you can't wrap your mind around then it shows how much basketball knowledge you have.

He started next to Harden for 82 games and Harden had his best offensive year ever. If that doesn't show Lin is pass first and he took 10.9 spg then I don't know what would.

If taking 10 spg is means he has a scorer's mentality...

 

Just going by words not join date, I typically don't post on sites and I would read more than anything. Been lurking on this site since 01 and have been a rockets fan since 87.

 

He only joined this board to hate on Lin. There are a number of people who joined in 2012 and 2013 just to hate Lin.

Some of these people even call PhiSlamma who is a 99er names just because he made a podcast on his own personal webpage where he said Lin should definitely start over Bev and he was outraged by McHale's conduct

It's unbelievable.

 

I've been a fan since the Rockets came to Houston.

People like you are disgusting.

You get completely owned by facts and stats so you resort to the dumb "only-fan" lmao

 

Tied for number 4 with Alston and .1 above Mcgrady and Lowry. For one the rockets have never had high assist point guard in our history and have asked for good spot up shooting from our pgs historically. And you can't be that dumb, of course Harden had his best season to date and had nothing to do with Lin, he was THE guy not behind Durant or Westbrook. Lin didn't get a lot of shots because Harden and Parsons were more utilized. Look at Lins game and you can see he is a scorer and can make some plays for others, but a true pass first guard with the minutes he got last year would be closer to 10 than 5 assists. Lin is good but not what you think he is.

 

Why are you so mad guy, I have a different opinion than you, and I highly doubt you are in your 50s to have been a fan since they moved here. Again I like Lin no where in my posts can you say I don't. And my join date was right before we signed Lin to an offer sheet.

 

Sugarlanddream or whatever he calls himself is a Yof now converted to a Lin fan. These people like you and he are not fooling anyone. The funny thing if Lin was traded tomorrow you and he will become the longtime fans of that team.

 

Lin is vastly better than Bev but nowhere did I ever said Lin was a superstar. I don't think he is. I said Lin can score 20 ppg under D'antoni and I said Dragic can as well. That doesn't mean they are superstars it just means Mike D's system makes the PG look good on offense and that Dragic and Lin are good PGs.

And no one would call a starting PG who takes 10 spg and leads his team in apg a "shot first PG" lmao.

There has been no statistical facts in Lin's history in the NBA where he avg under 10 spg to suggest he is "shoot first".

While there is ample evidence he is a pass first PG when he made a number of NYK players scorers. He made Tyson Chandler, Landry Field, Steve Novak all look like elite scorers because Lin is pass first.

Starting next to Harden, Lin led the Rockets in apg starting 82 games.

While this season Bev starting next to Harden you know Bev's apg numbers...

 

Ok genius then tell me why did I make threads praising Leslie Alexander and Daryl Morey during the 3 years the Rockets did not have Yao or Lin and missed the playoffs all 3 years...


Why was I posting on this forum when there was no Yao or Lin, genius?

 

Then were talking semantics then. Leading a team with 5.7 apg is not impressive and does not mean he's pass first. His numbers don't tell the whole story either, his spg and apg are affected by having a ball dominant guard in Harden doing the things that Lin does well at a better rate. That's why Bev fits the starters better now that being said we can do better than Bev for a 3 and D guy but that's what the pg role should be with the starting group, while Lin can spot up ok and has done better shooting this year it would still be underutilizing his abilities with the starting group.

 

I watched the first few games when the Rockets came to Houston with my father. Was here when half of the city wanted to trade Dream because he did not win a title and had a number of years the team lost early in the playoffs. I was here when Seattle menaced us. I was here when Dream had problems with the Jazz and their giant. Was here when Dream was an angry young man and got into a lot of fights. Was here when Dream got thrown out of the WCF against the Lakers and Sampson rose to the occasion and led us to the finals. Was here during the thug era of Francis/Mobley. Was here when Yao was draft #1. When Tmac joined this team to play with Yao....

 

LOL so your saying all the Lin billboards in houston before harden even after harden signing is now show casing... lol ok....

correct a mistake? lol GTFO you don't know what you are talking about... lin was not signed 3 year 25 mill contract to correct a mistake... like it or not he was brought here to be the star... that is the truth... lol

 

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Lin averaged 6.1 assists last season... and that was playing with Harden controlling the ball often and averaging 5.8 assists. Lin had the most double digit assists games on the Rockets team out of any player. How can you say he isn't a pass first PG? And I hope you aren't going to tell me that Bev is... if you do I think my head is going to explode...

 

dude no pg who takes less than 10 spg for his career and at most 10.9 spg is a ball hog. Lin leads his teams in apg when he is the starting PG. These 2 facts shows he is pass first. Plus his history of passing to Tyson Chandler, Steve Novak, Landry Field, James Harden...