Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

So you're not going to answer the questions, then? LOL.

 

Why are some of you so sure that Lin will leave?

 

Are you saying you can't read because I answered your question.

You said I only talk about Bev while I just proved you are wrong yet again. Just yesterday I defended Asik.

I'm a GIANT fan of Morey and Les. Huge over the top fan of theirs and I mention it for years.

I think McHale is a poor coach but I did not attack him his 1st year while most of this board did. I said he deserves time. I did not attack him last year because of his personal tragedy. Finally in his 3rd year I said he is not that good for playing Harden 39.9 mpg when he had foot issues since training camp. Now is that about Bev.

And as to what kind of fan you are I answered that too. You are a new member who likes to attack people who has been posting for years. Some for a decade plus. Some 99ers get attack from haters like you.

You are a fan who only join to hate on Lin just like some fans only joined to root for lin the last 1 year or so

 

damn this thread is killing it lol

 

If I may, I'd like to contribute as well.

1) A fan like in the bottom five posters of CF in regard to knowledge/class.
(don't worry, I'm in the bottom five for class as well, but well above average in knowledge).
2) Because you're in the bottom five of knowledge.

 

I don't "attack" anybody on this forum... I'm actually addressing you pretty civilly, I think. I'm asking you what makes you think I'm a Lin hater -- or your latest claim, that I only joined this forum to "hate" on Lin. Do you have a legitimate answer to that question, or do you just assume I must hate Lin because I like Bev?

 

Knowledge of?

 

Well there you go.

Frankly, Bev is a upstanding guy. He doesn't deserve criticism. The coach has put him in a position which isn't ideal, but of course he's not going to turn that down. He is who he is, and certainly hope he has a good career in what would be his ideal role. And keep in mind, he may deserve to start some games or start for other teams -- it's just that he doesn't deserve to start for the Rockets over Jeremy Lin in most games, if the Rockets want the best possible chance of winning.

 

I don't think you're a troll so take this as just a comment, not a criticism. I've seen you make several "rants" about "LOFs" in a couple threads, including a game thread. It's along the same lines of what you're accusing SugardLand of doing, except with a different target.

I normally ignore the "LOF/LOH" posts, but this conversation is escalating quickly and I don't want to see this thread locked, because of it. Our PG situation is a big problem and is worth discussing.

 

Bev is statically the worst offensive starting PG in the NBA who is healthy and plays starter minutes

On Defense Beverly is over-rated and has been destroyed by back up PG who don't even play except for an injury to the starter. Bev is excellent against smaller/quicker PG and not so good against taller/stronger PG.

The Rockets have 2 solid PGs who have proven to be NBA caliber starters and are in their 20s who do not start while Bev the rookie does.

The above 3 facts shows why people who are basketball fans are outraged by this situation.

Frankly I don't even give a s..t anymore about Lin starting. I want Brooks to start. He has proven he can and was the starter for our best season in a decade plus.

This is what every basketball fan would say if Bev was starting for their team. The Rockets have 9 losses. The Mavs as the 8th seed has 10 losses. The Rockets have lost to some of the worst teams in the NBA.

Any basketball fan would want their team to do much better with Harden (best offensive 2-guard in the league), Howard (best center in the league), Parsons (potential future borderline star), Lin (top candidate for 6-man when healthy or solid starter), Asik (top 5 center in the league) than to have 1 less loss than the 8th seed.

I look at this team and see Bev as the starting PG playing starter minutes as the main reason this team is not dominating the NBA right now.

Since this is a fan forum and Bev is the biggest problem it is clear he should be discussed the most.

Rafer Alston when he started for us was vastly better than Bev today and Skip to my Lou was discussed every day here.

Ever fan base would be up in arms if Bev was their starting PG playing so poorly on Offense and so inconsistent on D.

It is clear to many people Bev is a situational, change of pace, defensive specialist who should be a 3rd string PG who enters games to stop opposing PG here and there for a few min. Especially so early in his career.

Bev is not season enough and should not play so much or start. That is the biggest hole in the Rockets

 

I just said I prefer him off the bench, which is why this is so silly. You went out of your way to be nasty to someone who fundamentally agrees with you (that he is best off the bench) -- just because you assume I dislike Jeremy (which I don't).

 

My bad if I took it out of context. But athleticism is only that- athleticism. It doesn't translate into success if the player can't turn it into more than that. *See Stromile Swift, Harold "Baby Jordan" Minor, Terrance Williams, etc.

And actually, Lin is pretty athletic. If you look to the BAM tests that help evaluate athleticism, Lin was compared to Rose, Irving and Wall. He was the fastest out of the group and while he was the weakest in power, pretty comparable but slightly behind Wall and Irving in agility (but way ahead of Rose). Overall, he stacked up pretty well. They didn't test Bev but I'm guessing you would say that Bev would've beat all of these scrubs. LOL

http://thebamboxscore.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/breakdown1.jpg

 

As often as I often disagree with you (and you with me) when it comes to Bev, I haven't seen KlutchQT ever come across as not liking Lin. Is she partially blinded by her love of Bev as her favorite player? Sure. Does she get a lil defensive if you're talking about her man? Most definitely. lol

But that's her favorite player and she has the right to be a lil biased.

I appreciate that you're being honest and saying Bev is better suited to come off the bench too. I think he is the perfect guy to bring in and frustrate the opposing guards… especially when they're a little winded and he's coming in full strength. I think that's when we will really see him turn it up and make more amazing plays like last season.

And for all of you folks that say that we can't do that because we won't have any firepower to go with him, be for real. When he comes in, Harden and Lin don't both have to go to the bench. Rest one of them first and then when you bring back them back in, sit the other. It's not ROCKET science… (I just made a funny). :grin:

 

FWIW, disliking the way some LOFs consistently crap on other players on the team (definitely not just limited to Bev) is not the same as hating Jeremy. I think it's ridiculous that I can't like Patrick Beverley without being accused of hating Lin. Not even arguing that he's a better PG or should start, mind you -- just liking him at ALL gets me accused of joining this board for the sole purpose of hating on Jeremy Lin. Like yeah, I joined this board in the midst of the Dwightmare like many others, never posted a bad word about Jeremy Lin, put my money on him in fantasy basketball, and vote him to the All-Star game daily along with every other eligible Rocket (except Asik ) because I hate him sooooo much. Sorry, but that is ridiculous and tired.

There are people who throw the LOF label around indiscriminately too, and it's just as annoying. If you're going to accuse someone of being a fake fan or a hater, you should be able to back it up, IMO.

Anyway, it's certainly not escalating on my end. SugarLand can feel free to drop me a message if he ever comes up with an answer to the following question:

 

I think you have a great point. But dont you think being a starter or not is pretty overblown considering bev and Lin play around the same amount of minutes before lin was injured.

I think people needs to focus on what situation Lin is in and vise versa with Beverley instead b****ing about something as superficial as "being the starter".

I personally feel like Beverley is very limited in his play offensively that he should be pulled out in many situations in the fourth quarter if the other point guard isn't killing us. Its a delicate situation because its about what you wanna give up. Do you wanna give up Beverley's intensity t bother the opposing pg and have a creator on the offense along side harden or do u wanna lose lins ability to create for more defensive aggression and let harden do all the work.

 

LOL thank you.

 

Just wondering what do you guys think Lins Value is in the league? He is a starter for sure in the league, I guess its a case he doesnt fit on this team, or McHale really just like Bev better or whatever.

I would trade Lin to the Magic for Jameer and a Pick, Jameer has been havng such a solid year so far and he is buddies with Dwight and they both have chemistry together already.


im not a LOF or LOH, just a Rockets fan and want to see whats the best for the team. :]

 

Hey I have 800ish posts and I've been here for years. You've been here a few months and you have many times more posts than me. The few times I do post you are up in my grill for posting stats which shows Bev should not be starting. Do I read all of your thousands of posts. No. But from the limited few I did read you seem like a hater. Now if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I do know you write some dumb comments like all I write is Bev and I had to disprove you and show how dumb it is for you to say that when Bev has been a rocket for only a few months. And the fact as recently as yesterday I was defending Asik on another thread.

Do I write a lot about Bev recently? Yes for obvious reasons he is the worst starting PG in the league and we have 2 quality PG in their 20s who has proven they are NBA quality starting PGs who play behind the rookie Bev. The Rockets have not exactly been killing it. They have 9 losses and the 8th seed Mavs have 10 losses. We should be doing much better with the 2 superstar and all the good players like Parsons, Lin, Asik, Brooks, T-Jones...

Now do I write about Bev all over the forum? No I just keep it in the 1 or 2 threads dedicated to Bev. I'm not bashing him in the game thread and every thread that is not dedicated to Bev so your attacks shows in my opinion that you are a hater but as I said I may be wrong since I read like a few of your posts and you have posted thousands

 

Haha, it definitely gets CF a LOT of traffic!!

 

I accept your apology.