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ISOLATION SCORING, Statistical analysis of LIN vs HARDEN and the top 50 scorers ISO rankings

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Voice of Aus, Dec 15, 2013.

  1. Voice of Aus

    Voice of Aus Member

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    Your right let's go the way of NYC and the lakers and not send people to the Sloan MIT Confrence and not rely on stats when evaluating players. Stats is the future
     
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  3. Yohohoho

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    The #1 backcourt duo is taking a break right now. When we find another player who can lead our second bench, watch out. Harden and Lin combo will be back. The backcourt was developing really well last year. Parson will be back to his smart efficient slasher and spot shooter.

    My highly anticipated developments:
    Harden and Lin Backcourt
    Parson Project
    Newly, Howard and Jones Frontcourt
     
  4. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    The components of whatever these stats consider "ISO" might be flawed.. at least when it comes to post ups. There's no way Dwight has 2 ISOs. Post ups are THE definition of ISOs, there just done interiorly. Spacing is the main theme when the ball goes inside.

    the greater the spacing = the greater the isolation



    Assuming this flaw is just limited to post ups, ISOs from perimeter players can be judged equally. In that case, Lin is doing very well. His role as 6th man has been a success. Dude is worth his contract if he continues and can stay healthy.
     
  5. torocan

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    Post up play is listed in an entirely different category to ISO play on Synergy.
     
  6. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    What name is it listed as? And could someone post?

    Post ups are definitely ISOs regardless of what name/category they chose.
     
  7. EnergyGuy

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    Where is Durvasa with his statistical analysis this year?
     
  8. EnergyGuy

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    I think the main issue with Harden's isolation is the end of quarter and the last 5 minutes of the game iso plays. Those are defended heavily, and opponents know Harden iso's are coming.

    Harden is a good iso player. The problem is isolation plays are mostly ineffective if opponents are well prepared.
     
  9. DocRock

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    Go here http://www.mysynergysports.com/ and search for Dwight

    Judging from the videos of Dwight, Melo, & Dirk

    Iso ~ iso that starts beyond the elbow

    Post-up ~ iso that starts at or inside the elbow

    Wings are a gray area. I assume a camera maps out the boundary of what is and isn't considered the post.
     
  10. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    Thank you, sir. Obviously, the other poster only wanted to be difficult.
     
  11. JustAGuy

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    I'm sure they have access to all sorts of past information. I'm sure they have regularly updated information about what is going on in the current game. So what?

    Do you really think McHale is using a pre-analyzed decision tree to determine when to put in different players and for how long? To some extent I'm sure he is, but along the lines of "no battle plan survives contact with the enemy," I'm also sure he is revising it on the fly. Is he better at that than I am in the instant of the game? Probably so. But when I am sitting back comforably in my recliner hours later after rewatching the game and critiquing in my head the adjustments he made in the heat of the moment, the playing field has leveled between us. Of all the places where one can examine and claim that the coaches are screwing up, this is the most likely place for a fan to find errors.
     
  12. C. Orientalis

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    Or it might be the work he put into improvement over the summer.
     
  13. bws

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    I think his change or role has absolutely nothing to do with his efficiency and it's all in the improvement he made over the summer.
     
  14. Houstunna

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    Why can't it be both?


    Lin worked hard + playing against backups = greater efficiency

    You sound like a LOF.
     
  15. Voice of Aus

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    He's scared to challenge my wrath of threads ;):grin:
     
  16. Billionzz

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    I think when Lin and Harden are in the game together that the Rockets play better. The defense has to worry about both of them driving the lane, which in turn opens things up a little more for all players.
     
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    If you isolate the the "P" and "Arson"s, then it becomes a classic set the fire and then pee on it scenario. And that is concerning.
     
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    Great thread. Is the separation of ISOs and Postups the reason Harden is more efficient than Lebron in PPP?

    Does it change the chart completely if you include both?
     
  19. gene18

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    I feel that our coachs have not handled most of our players in an optimal manner as well. Just one thought to post at this point related to this statement. Harden is pushed too much and his efficiency is down because of this. You mentioned this also. Casspi, Lin, and Parsons are the obvious ones whose play have not been handled in an opyimal manner.
     
  20. gene18

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    It would be terrible if he was.
     

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