ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Kings 12/15/2013

Some of the guys here don't get that while Lin can score, that's just part of his game. They didn't see him play with other guys and not with Harden. When he doesn't play with Harden, he play makes well. Not average, well and sometimes really well. If used just as a penetrator to score at the rim and get fouls and try to force him into a consistent 3 point shooter, something he is not, you'll get a sort of nice player who explodes sometimes. He'll also get steals and start transition baskets and give the occasional touchdown pass. But his role and usage needs to be expanded on the Rockets, and not just when Harden isn't in the game. The guy is a tool the Rockets need to exploit.

 

not saying he isn't a solid player, not a playmaker like you keep saying

 

A bad loss chalked up to more injuries and b2b. I'm not even angry to be honest given our record away from home. Every game will have a W and a L.

Even if we finish fourth seed I'll take it. Howard was a gamble on fitness over our Turkish ballerina. Nothing else has changed much given the trades we made and contracts being largely ported over or lateral moves.

Come back to earth and let's hope everyone gets healthy and we get a better run of luck after Christmas.

 

The Heat didn't get the benefit of the doubt until they won. They were a loss away from the team breaking up in 2012. The Rockets don't get to use the Heat, again with the best player in the NBA for the past 5 years, as measuring stick. It looks like you're searching for moral victory

 

I hope Lin's back can get straightened out or Harden's ankle is in at least decent shape because a Rockets team with both of them out will be a sorry thing to watch.

 

did bev get any assists tonight....prob not...rockets offense is all one on one this season

 

Did he just return from injury (left foot?), now he hurt himself? Man, he is injury prone. Sorry, I mean Jeremy.

 

i agree with both of you guys. and beverly is more confident as a point guard and plays really good defense that is mainly he is starting over jeremy lin. he's tuoughness is superb

 

It doesn't matter who they loss too, they sustained some loses to terrible teams. Every good teams loses to bad freaking teams every damn year. So stop over exaggerating. Again it might take a full year for this team to build that chemistry they need to win a Championship.

The Champions has lost to the 76ers, Pistons and Nets. They also lost to the Celtics who doesn't have a star player.

Gives us some time, we will be alright.

 

Lin's assist rate, steals, rebounds down, turnovers up. Meanwhile his point production and his efficiency up (his TS is up an entire 10%). Literally everything except his scoring would impact negatively on PER, I'd suggest you get your eyes checked. The only way I can assume you think George is or will become a great playmaker is because you never watch him play (like Lebron? rofl).

 

No, Im saying it takes time to get to build that type of chemistry. I knew the Heat wasn't going to win the Chip their 1st season. Has it been done before , hell yes but how often though. The Celtic lost to some terrible teams as well that year they won the Chip.

You are being a little too harsh on them after 26 games.

Do we need to revisit our Championship Rockets who won back to back. They also lost to some bad teams..


Bwhahahaahha moral victory because we don't agree, classic.

 

my eyes are just fine. his FG percentage is up and so is his PER which impressive per 36 minutes of action. his rebounds are down because he's playing less minutes and so are his assists. Plus, he's not even the PG anymore of this team. He plays the SG position or some type of hybrid. his TO rate isn't terrible and is manageable at this point.

You can have your position , which is fine. But I'll stick to mine thank you very much.

 

His role on this team changed didn't it not. Went from being a starter to coming off the bench to be a player like J Crawford( Clippers), J Terry and J.R. Smith.

Hey aint his turnovers are pretty much the same as last season?

 

Bull****

 

I had to babysit couldn't watch the game, no internet. Sucks that we lost =\

 

Well, on the Rockets team, he's pretty much missed two more games than James Harden over 1.25 regular season.

 

The HEat of 2013. that is granted, but the Heat also have a tremendous record and have only lost 6 times the entire year. Plus everyone is gunning for the HEat.

What I am discussing is the Heat's first year, 2010-2011 together which might be a fair way to compare the dream team of the Heat and the Dream team of the Rockets. The HEAT did struggle in NOvember having lost to the New Orleans and the Magic as their two bad losses of that month. Orlando wasn't a terrible team that year. and they lost to the HOrnets by three. that year. 2010-2011 season.

THe rockets have lost to the Kings and Lakers, SIxers, and the Jazz (the worst team in the NBA) in 2013-2014, their inaugural season together.
1. Lost to the Jazz by 6
2. Lost to the Lakers by 1( it was a bad loss)
3. Lost to Dallas (With a huge 4 quarter lead)
4. Lost to Kings( embarrassing )
5. Lost to the Sixers by 3 ( Lin and Jones played Well, as did Howard)

THis is not just an abberration. It's been a trend, and continues to be a trend through december.

 

what about Love and LMA?
Is Love leading? Is LM leading or are the Blazers on a hot streak.

Hard to tell.

 

The Heat were considered elite as soon as they came together. Experts, coaches, GMs forecasted finals/championships. JVG even suggested 70wins. Your "I knew they weren't going to win" is worth as much as my "I knew they were going to 2-peat eventually".

The Rockets are not considered elite by most. You need to stop comparing the two teams. In 2010, the Heat had a relatively recent FMVP and a 25-year-old who was back-to-back MVP - the consensus #1 player in the NBA and one of the greatest ever. Bosh is a meh, but even he was a top 15 player. Expectations are not nearly the same for these teams so you shrugging off losses because you think the Rockets are on similar paths as Heat is irrational. If the Rockets win more than 60 games, that would be a miracle. If the Heat did it in 2010, it would have been a "so what?" moment.

It's alright for the Rockets to lose games, finish the season with 52+ wins, hopefully pass the first round or at least make it a very competitive series and then grow from there. But posters here saying "omg how do we lose so such inferior team" is a case of trying to put the Rockets on a pedestal they haven't earned. The 2nd round for the Rockets this season would be a success, whether you believe it or not. This automatically means they are not elite.

In short, when you use the accomplishments of other teams who've struggled to justify a loss, you are definitely looking for moral victory

 

you definitely lowered your expectations. Superstars like Howard and Harden were supposed to compete for championships. Parsons was a rising star. and Lin was foreshadowed by more hyped up players.

Expectations were very high for the Rockets this year. Not quite like the Heat, granted. But the Rockets were supposed to win at least 55-60 games this year. that is likely not going to happen unless they get super hot in the second half of the season.