Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

I remember when we played Bulls on Xmas Day last year, Bulls announcer, "this is the best backcourt in NBA...second...best scoring backcourt..."

You have two young players (Lin and Harden) who both started their first NBA season. Let them play together and figure out for themselves and improve upon their experience. Stack their minutes if needing one to be the playmaker for the second unit.

How the fug did we get to this stage in one year?

 

Christmas was great last year because of that game for me lol, everyone jump shipped saying bev should start like they forgot the run & gun offense that got is into the playoffs last year.

 

McHale / Sampson are terrible and need to be replaced....simple as that.

 

Superior? I'd buy that Lin might be a little quicker but superior? Come on now.

 

I think Thomas would have scored on Lin too. Then you would hear all of the Bev would have shut him down talk. That's the problem, unless both guys get lit up then if a PG goes off on Lin he's terrible and if he does on Bev then Bev didn't do his job for that night like he should of. Sometimes the opposing PG has a good game. That's what Isiah had tonight.

 

Then when Beverly shuts down opposing PG's, we can say "sometimes they have bad games, that's all". If you receive credit for wins and results, you get criticism for losses and the other PG teaching you a lesson

 

Probably. Or Beverley tried too hard on two nationally televised games that he cannot sustain his level of play for another game.

 

Beverly is a decent on ball defender. That's it.

He is easily picked off and overcommits very often leaving him susceptible to crafty guards who use head fakes and are good ball handlers.

And this is the same problem with lin, he leaves his feet too often. That's why i still think its laughable to say beverly is an all nba defensive point guard. That would imply he is on the same level as a Mike Conley or a Rajon Rondo on defense when he simply isn't.

You have to have good two way players in a starting five, that's why I felt the team should have let Lin build on the previous season and allow him to grow as a defensive player. By bringing him off the bench you are stunting his defensive growth and not letting a 24 yr old PG who had a decent season grow.

Beverly has his flashes but it's too often stained by performances tonight where he shoots a low percentage and is a virtual no-threat on offense. You need consistency to beat teams in the NBA and if he continues to play like this we will constantly lay eggs against bad teams.

 

It's hard to tell sometimes. Sometimes Bev definitely holds them to below their average. But realistically, Curry, Lilliard, guys like that if they go 2-12, a lot of that is on them. I think limit guys like that. Do stuff like making them take less shots and making it difficult for them, getting steals off of them, getting them out of rhythm which he definitely does. I don't think it is so much a 2-12 is his responsibility more those other sorts of things. Some guys will go 2-12 some nights and be wide open, they'll just have a bad night.

 

Speed= Lin
Shooting= Lin
Driving to the Basket= Lin
Passing/Asst = Lin
Better Basketball IQ = Lin
Defense = Beverley (and even that is in spurts)

Superior= Lin

 

Rebounds, all-out continuous hustles and low turnovers go to Beverley. He's also a more secure ball handler if not try to push the action.

 

I keep feeling like I have to qualify my statements but overall, Beverley is not a great defender. He plays great defense at spurts and he most definitely can disrupt his man. But if you watched Curry and Lilliard in the most recent games, even though they didn't shoot the ball well, the blew past Bev a scary amount of times. He was behind them often and if people want to believe that he made them miss with his great defense playing behind them, then I'm trying out for the NBA next season b/c I can do that. He is also bad at fighting through picks. To his credit he is able to get a good amount of rebounds for someone his size but that's also because he is often off his man and floating in the paint on D.

At the end of the day, 2 assists from a starting PG in the NBA is not going to cut it. I don't care if the plan is the dump the ball into Harden or not. A real PG gets the entire team involved and there is no arguing that Lin does that better than Bev.

 

I was just typing in my last post that Bev is a better rebounder so I agree. But if we're going to nitpick, Lin is a better FT shooter too. And the reason that Bev has fewer turnovers is b/c all he does is dribble the ball up the court and pass it to Harden. That's also why you might think he's the more secure ball handler. He doesn't help the offense at all except when he gets streaky and hits a couple of shots (like against GS) and unfortunately, those nights are few and far between. Lin isn't giving us Linsanity, but he gives us a PG that makes the team better because we have more movement, more firepower and force the other team to react more on D. Does it cost us a little on defense? Sure, but it's not like opposing PG's are lighting up Lin the entire season. Like I've said before, with Bev, we hurt ourselves on Offense so much that it's like we are playing 4 against 5.

 

6 pts and 2 assists in 31 minutes....haha thats terrible but i love the excuses for his avg play

 

Thank you. My buddy says I'm full of crap when I say that Bev gets picked off plenty of times and that opposing guards are blowing by him on a lot of plays. He can bring his intensity but only in spurts. He's proven he can't play an entire game of intense defense and he has shown he rarely can do anything on the offensive end.

 

The excuse is- anyone is better than Lin from the LOH's. We could bring back Kenny Smith or Calvin Murphy and the LOH's would say that they should start over Lin. Laughable and sad.

 

You don't get it, do you?

Among the starting 5, we have four scorers, so we don't need another scorer but a defender, a pesky defender who can defends two opponent players.

 

Amen brother, rockets offense is stagnant and team assists numbers way down but hey at least they get rebounds...lol

 

Rebounds agree. But Rockets already one of the best rebounding teams. Hustles, sure. But can't keep it up 30+ minutes, better off in spurts. Low turnovers/more secure with the ball -> because he doesn't do anything with the ball.

 

That's an exaggeration. And I don't think Lin is miles ahead better than Bev, but I do agree overall he's a better ball player. I've said from the beginning that I think Lin should be starting in order to properly evaluate the team with the best at each position all starting together. As far as the defense, all this talk about Bev being some elite defender is just a nonsensical distraction. The team defense still kinda sucks, and team defense is about schemes, communication, execution, trust. It's really not just about one guy on the perimeter.