Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

Stupid, just stupid


So the indecisive guy who turns the ball over at ridiculous rates is the "smart" one? Yea, ok. Bev may not be the long term solution at pg, but it DAMN SURE ain't Jeremy Lin either. Jeremy's shown to be the better offensive player, however, he's a very poor defender and throws the ball away way too much. It boils down to Lin's offense vs Bev's defense (and other intangibles), and the coach's chose Bev for obvious reasons.

1) Beverly competes at a overall higher level than Lin

2) Beverly is a better rebounder and plays bigger (check the Spurs game where he tipped in the game winner)

3) Bev picks his man up full court making it harder for players like CP3, Lillard to get to their sweet spots

4) Bev's by far a better one on one defender and keeps his man in front of him (unlike Lin).

5) Lin's turnovers make him a liability in crunch situations. He's simply too indecisive, which is why Bev finishes more games.




This is the most impartial assesment of why Lin's expendable right now

 

i came from another forum, PSD, and have been a Rockets fan on that site since 2005. i'm not a LOF. I'm a Rockets fan. and being a Rockets fan, i want what's best for the Rockes. ALL evidence says the Rockets are better with Lin instead of Beverly. as a Rockets fan, I cannot understand why you BOFs have such undying support for Beverly despite the FACT that ALL evidence says the Rockets are better with Lin instead of Beverly. Again...

Individually, Lin is superior over Beverly:

http://www.basketball-reference.com...sum=0&p1=linje01&y1=2014&p2=beverpa01&y2=2014

as a team, our team is better offensively AND defensively with Lin.

offensively, with a lineup of Jeremy Lin, James Harden, Chandler Parsons, Terrence Jones, Dwight Howard....our team shoots a eFG of .551. When you subsitute Lin with Beverly in the same lineup, our team’s eFG drops to .541.

defensively, with a lineup of Lin, Harden, Parsons, Jones, and Howard... we hold our opponent's eFGA to .398. Sub Beverly with Lin in the same lineup, our opponent's eFGA improves to .415.

 

great. numbers and stats disagree with you.

 

1) subjective
2) Lin isn't a slouch on rebounding. He's been a good rebounder his whole career
3) subjective
4) Defense at the complete expense of any offensive skill is not a good thing
5) Young PGs make TOs. It's how they get better. Bev severely limits himself by not taking risks, and it shows.

 

If you are a true rockets fan then i respect that. But if you really think Lin is better than Bev on D then this is one of those times where the stats and eye tests dont match up, and where stats dont show a true picture.

 

stats > eye tests.

stats are tangible results to what actually happens. the "eye tests" sees what it wants to see.

 

so you'd take a guy with one flaw over a guy who has more flaws in his game? and you are looking at championship?

all that Houston's done is put in howard and Beverly over asik and lin.

ball on defense has improved, shot blocking has improved.

assists has gone done (23 last year to 20 this year).

rebounding is still good but giving up a lot of offensive rebounds.

the problem that BOF do not get is that you can't play man on defense. you have to play TEAM defense. Houston is still allowing 101.6 ppg compared to 102.5 ppg last season. fortunately Houston has been averaging 107.3 ppg as opposed to 106.0 ppg (not sure if yesterday's game is included in these numbers) but that is attributed to howard having more offense than asik and lin actually averaging more points than last year even coming off the bench. so stopping your man defense responsibility only to have the team give up the points anyway does you no good. Beverly neutralizes lilliard. great. Beverly provides no offense beyond what lilliard provides. lilliard scores 1 less point on same number of shots and is a +20 (I don't like this stat). he might have been shut down but the team is still clicking.

 

Not really, GM who use nothing but stats and discount the eye test (Which i doubt there are any) will not get the true picutred and would make there jobs mute, if stats where all that mattered then we could just use a statistical model and a computer to pick players instead of a GM. If you dont think that is true and stats are all that mattert and Lin is Better than Bev on D then we just have to agree to disagree.

 

our GM is the most notorious number guy in the league...

 

Use the eye test - is Lin better than Harden?

 

Yes, but he has said time and time again that he still uses and needs traditional scouting methods (the eye test) and that you cant successfully run a team without both.

 

Some nights yes, most nights no.

 

you know...i really don't know what to say to you. you insist Beverly is better because your eyes tells you so but the numbers tell a completely different story. the numbers say our team scores better and defends better with Lin over Beverly but you're discounting that completely because your eye tells you so. that logic makes no sense to me and i can't think of a rebuttal due to the complete lack of logic in your thinking.

 

dont know how you made that post say I quoted that but I didnt bro, someone else said those 5 things

 

So you are saying, that Jeremy Lin is indeed a better defender than Patrick Beverley? (Getting my popcorn ready)

 

Well, overall team points doesnt exactly tell you who was the person scoring. It could have been other palyers that Bev was not guarding. So you cant just use that stat and judge everything by it. As i said we just need to agree to disagree, to me its obviouse Bev is a better defender, rebounder, and less turnover prone. If you think otherwise then i too dont know what to tell you. Again just agree to disagree.

 

first if you look at stats you have to see if what you're comparing is apples to apples.

harden gets 38-40 mpg and can go through shooting slumps and turnovers without being yanked. does lin get to do that? when was the last time he got to play that way? oh yeah linsanity time before Carmelo came back. what was lin averaging? who was his teammates? was the team winning?

at the end, lin isn't better than harden but the difference isn't as big as harden fans may believe and that's a GOOD thing. IF the system is right, there is no reason why Houston fans wouldn't expect if harden got injured that lin could come in and score 25 points a game.

but why some fans want to put down a player on their team blows me away. lin has already shown what he can do given the playing time. he's by no means perfect but he's got more skills than you give him.

 

So it has come down to Lin defendants using stats and Bev defendants using the eye test.
Please more guys, both have their flaws.

 

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The way Rockets are playing Lin, it makes more sense to play AB at a back-up or start him (have two starting PGs with Bev and AB), with Canaan waiting in the wing.

 

We are about a finer level of discrimination. Is Irving better than Lillard.