[Chron.com] Rockets Forward Parsons Worth on Upswing

Yes..

 

He doesn't fight around a pick a lot of times, giving the player an open 3, thinking his long arms are good enough to reach around the defender. his help defense is not good. he can be taken down low with his thin frame. Its not that i don't think he can do it, as in his first year when guarding kobe resulting in kobe praising him. its that he exerts so much energy on the fast break and offensive end that he doesn't have the energy to be a great two-way player -- lebron, rondo, jordon, pippen, chris paul, etc. He's definately not on battier's level of defense in last year's final who shut down duncan in the final minutes. He's not bad, but he's not good. he's decent. I do believe that if he went back to the Shane battier-like role(concentrate all on D, and simply spot up for 3) he would be very good as you said. Francisco Garcia in fact was the one guarding Durant in the play-offs last year, not parsons.

and yes the difference between 17 and 20ppg is not much, but 17 and 24 is huge. He's not a great shooter, he's streaky. 39% is pretty good, but not great, considering they are mostly wide open 3s. a lot of ppl can do that or better:Brooks, cassipi, terrence jones are right now. He should pass on a contested 3 to give brooks, cassipi or garcia wide open 3s. They're better spot up shooters. especially brooks and garcia.

 

this doens't mean he's an elite shooter. Those are mostly wide open 3s or layups. he doesn't shoot many midrange shots. He's a great fast break player, great at snow-birding at great at cutting, he's going to get a lot of layups. I don't think anyone denies this. 39 percent on wide open 3s is pretty good, but not great, not elite

 

#1 Not a single one of the perimeter players on the Rockets fight through picks well. Only Beverley does it better on the Rockets. By your own admission Parsons is "decent" on defense. Further lets not forget he can cover multiple positions, which is a premium.

#2 He isn't a great shooter? He shot 39% on 3's last year, and is doing the same this season. He shot 56% on two point shots last year (61% this season). So he shot the ball well last year as well, and has improved every single season in the NBA.

#3 He doesn't need to pass up any 3's as long as he is hitting them at nearly 40%, and he is only taking 5 a game. If anything Parsons should be shooting more.

#4 Parsons will never be a superstar, perhaps an all star like Detlef Shrempf, but he is one of absolute BEST glue guys in the league. He is very efficient, can play well on 20 shots a game, or 5 shots a game, he can defend multiple positions, can hit open shots, can create in the right situation and can run the offense. There are very few players that do what he does as well as he does.

If Parsons worth 14 million a year? Not to me, but he is worth 11-12 million and a few teams would gladly give it to him.

 

in what way? iguadola is shooting 48 percent from 3(number 11 is NBA), and is a great defender.

 

The Rockets do NOT want him taking mid range shots, it isn't their offensive philosophy.

He is shooting 61% on 2 point shots and 39% on three point shots.... sorry but that IS elite, and not THAT much different than what he did last season.

You may not like it, but the statistics do not lie, he has been very good to elite at shooting the basketball over the last 100 games... and has improved every season.

 

Wow dude, some of your own posts are rendering you hard to take seriously.

Anybody who has actually watched these games can see Parsons is often the one creating the offense for himself and others, and the ability to play well off the ball and finish, is also extremely valuable. And nook undersold him, he actually has a TS% of 63%.

And for all of the crap he takes defensively, he usually guard the opponents best wing player and we have the 12th rated defense. There is a reason McHale never takes him off the floor.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct

Parsons is tied with Lin for 57th in the NBA at 3 point shooting. This is pretty good, not great. Skip to my lou used to shoot about 36 percent, and everyone is calling for his head. If you can shoot 35 percent or higher, you should definately shoot it if open.

And no, he's not a great shooter, don't bring in the percentages because a bunch are layups. he doesn't shoot midrange very much. its either layup or wide open 3. Those players are a dime a dozen in the NBA. he can be replaced.

And yes he does need to pass the ball to brook if he's wide open and parsons is somewhat guarded. Right now parsons is on a hot streak which coincided with Jones starting. At the beginning of the season he was bricking everything and shooting 25 percent.

Detlef shrempf could play the post, he was great from midrange. If the rockets allow him develop that type of game, which would mean howard gives up his stubborness to play the post, I am all for paying him 10 million a year it would be worth it. But I doubt mcchale will let that happen, or he's not good enough at it yet, but maybe one day he will be.

 

Just cuz mcchale never takes him off the floor doesn't mean he's a great defender. Then why didn't he put parsons on Durant? he put garcia. It means he's the best option. Elite? 57 better 3 point shooters right now. if parsons was such a great friggen defender, why does our perimeter D suck so bad? no one wants to guard tony parker after one freaking pick?? DUDE!

 

Yes and no. Iggy is past his prime or in the very last year or two of his prime. He is going to get worse while Parsons will get better for the life of his contract. Even though Parsons is not as good as Iggy right now, the average of years on the contract may be similar, or even in Parson's favor.

I see what you're saying, but this is bad logic. Lebron James is worth $50 million (per Forbes I think) per year, but only gets paid $20 million. I have no clue how much exactly Harden is worth, but it's a lot more than $15 million per year. This is why max level players are so valuable, because they are underpaid in any other free market.

Parsons may not be "worth" $13 million per year with some people, but the MARKET dictates how much a player makes is fair value. In my examples given prior in this thread, his market value is close to $12-14 million per year.

 

Who would that be? It's already difficult to sign any FA of similar talent, who are we going to get that's only going to cost $12-13 million per year that's going to be championship caliber? Remember, Josh Smith signed for $14 million per year and we're getting adequate production from TJ at much less. I don't see FA that's better than Parsons that you can get for that price.

 

its a good thing morey is the GM and we are not. I'll be surprised if he gives parsons that much when he find steals all the time. Just as you said, we've got terrence jones playing on a rookie contract producing much higher than being paid. I think morey should wait around for the right trade, or find a bargain free agent...even two at 6 million a year, than tie all that up in parsons. But if we've sign parsons to that much, we might miss out on someone later.

 

After 14-15 our cap space will be gone one way or the other. We can still sign a big FA, and keep Parsons if we want. Morey will scan the market this offseason and if he thinks we can land, and needs a big fish in the 15 offseason he will hold off on resigning parsons. He may re-sign him this offseason.

One way or the other you can take it to the bank Parsons will be here long term for at least 10 mill. Despite you thinking he is a replaceable scrub, Morey and everybody actually watching these games knows better.

 

who said he was a scrub? i said i thought he was worth 6 million a year given the les doesn't want to go over the luxury tax. i said he is a very good role player. If we can still sign a max contract, and give parsons his 10 million dollar a year deal, i am totally OK with it. I just highly doubt les is going to do that. there will be all stars who want to play with harden/howard, and i don't think it wise to tie our hands with parsons. keep in mind, even in your scenario, what will we do with terrence jones? he's going to get a raise too. if we pay parsons 10 plus and leave room for a close to max, jones is gone for sure.

 

It is indeed a good thing. Because Morey understand the concept of the NBA soft salary cap. I say soft because there's a hard limit for signing players(excluding exceptions like room, MLE, etc.), and a soft limit for re-signing your own players.

Assuming the Rockets are $20mil under the cap, would Morey give $12mil of that money to Parsons? The answer of course is definitive NO. But what if the Rockets are over the cap, and Morey has to choose between giving Parsons $12mil or giving random FA veteran minimum? Then it just becomes a matter of Les' willingness to spend.

From a cap standpoint, there's almost no difference between giving Parsons $12mil or $10mil or $2mil. The only thing that matters is Les' checkbook.

 

When you are a tanking team, I totally agree you shouldn't tie your cap-space into market-valued good-but-not-great players. But the situation is very different when you already have two top-10 (or top-15) players. You can't afford to play the waiting game for two long.

Paying CP25 $6M/year is NOT an option since he will not agree to that. What you are proposing to do basically?
"CP25 you want $11M/year? I'll see you walk! We have Casspi."
"Jones now asks for $8M/year? Get out! I can sign an MLE who is just as good."
"Oh Casspi wants $5M/year to stay now? Nope we have a rookie that is ready to step up."

If you waste one more year of Harden and Howard's prime by making "maximum-flexibility" moves like that, I bet they ask to be traded before you can find a third star. At some point you have to maintain continuity of the roster, allow chemistry to develop, while making improvements on the fly.

 

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=246005&highlight=sell+high+parsons

I created a thread a month ago with all my thoughts. He should be packaged in a trade while his value is highest(on a dirt cheap contract). We can potentially get an all star with Asik AND/OR Lin.

 

@ jcmoon.

Like I said, I'm not about to nominate him for DPOY. He's not an elite defender. He's not perfect. However, he's still very good. A lot of what you're describing can be attributed to the Rockets' lack of help defense.

Yes, Parsons is not among the elite defenders like some of the players you named- but that doesn't change the fact that he's a much better defensive player than Harden is. Given all the shots he passes up, Parsons is no doubt capable of scoring 20-22 PPG while letting others get their shots even right now. With that and great defense, I would almost take it over 25 PPG and horrible defense.

I'm simply saying Parsons certainly has the potential to be a guy that can give you 21-25 PPG to go along with everything else he already brings.

Only time will tell though. I could end up being wrong, but I do believe Parsons has that level of potential. Whether that means he stays with us or goes to another team.

 

I honestly think parsons would be worth more to a team with a floor spacing center, like the Jazz had with mehmet okur. Jerry sloan was constantly looking for mismatches, posting his forwards or even point guards, posting aaron brooks up. In a system where every player could shoot at least a midrange jumper, Parsons could be used in the post more. He has that spin move and could also add a hook and fade away with his height. In this scenario, I see him worth 10 million plus a year, just not on the rockets with Dwight Howard.

But I am cheering for him and hopes his three point shooting streak continues....