43 points on 30 shots is very melo like still. would be better if there offense did not rely on him so much
Paul George doesn't get the hard wing assignment, Lance does. It doesn't matter how good you are defensively if you spend most of your time sitting around in a corner. But that right there is a testament to how damn good their defense is.
Thats is not the truth its just an opinion that's not factual at all. All because his view is in agreement with yours doesn't make it right. How do anybody know what PG would do if he was on the Rockets. Dude just went off for 43 and his man only scored 8 points. Now if yall dont see that PG shows consistent effort verse Hardens inconsistent effort , then yall are blind as hell.
Harden is a very good player, but the reason that people are on him is due to inconsistent EFFORT on the defensive end. Yes, I know it's unreasonable to expect 100% effort on every possession. That just doesn't happen in the real world. However, many of us see that Harden exerts ZERO effort on many plays. Zero as in doesn't even LOOK to see where his man is, doesn't even TRY to move his feet and get in front of his man, doesn't even BOTHER to raise his hand up to contest a shot, and does a crappy swipe at the ball as his man is driving past him instead of Attempting to body up and drive them away from the center lane. And that's without even talking about fighting over screens which is an entirely different topic of debate. If Harden even exerted 90% effort throughout the game when he was defending, he'd be a significantly better player. And that's why people are annoyed. For a Max contract player, is it SO unreasonable that he doesn't mail it in so often? What we want is the Harden that he CAN be when he tries. And until he becomes More of that player, players like Paul George are going to have a superior impact on the court. I think Harden can be a better player than Paul George, but until that days come if you have to choose between them in terms of building a championship team and their skill levels are close, I'll always choose the guy that leaves it all on the floor.
serious question , who you think it's the worst defender on our team? not just one game, throughout the season.
Nope it is the truth. Okay so Paul George locks down Hayward...what about every other Utah Jazz player then? Does he also lock down the entire team himself? How does that work out? A perimeter defensive player does not have THAT much impact. If so guys like Tony Allen would have been 10mil per year players in the NBA. His view is not in agreement with mines, it is in agreement with how basic basketball works. Team defense supercedes team offense. Not one player can stop great offensive players or teams, a team defense does.
16-30 ///7-15 over 50% shooting . Naw I dont think they are complaining. Especially since he plays defense unlike Melo. And he doesn't take this many shots every game. Oh wait this is his first game taking this many shot attempts. Lol
"Contaminating Clutchfans" is a tad silly, though certain LOF's do drag down the quality of the forum greatly. There are definitely LOF's who understand the game and understand Lin's situation in relation to the Rockets, but then there are those who are just delusional.
And we're talking about Houston, not L.A. or Boston. So there is a several level lower understanding of basketball in general for the whole forum.
and how to play good team defense? You start with your leader , your best player , to lead example for the others by putting in efforts constantly. EFFORTS !! that's all i'm asking for .
So everyone just read this, read what this man is saying right here... Just go then, the board will miss you and your superior basketball intellect. I'm sure we'll be just fine once we get over it though. This thread is sad. Not because of the debate between two great players...but because of posters who have a obvious agenda running amok in here.
Man we are talking about two individual players PG and JH. We are talking about their all around games, so why are you talking about team defense? Why are you asking insane questions as well? Are you telling me LeBron James, Paul George, S Pippin, MJ Bird, and others dont impact the game much defensively. Lmao ok Coach you are indeed right.
So now defense is not important in basketball. It's okay not to give effort on defense. In your rush to defend Harden, that is what you want to advocate? smh. By the way, PG is not a role player. He is elite at both ends of the floor.
It's true that Team defense stops teams, however it only takes 1 person to break a Team's defensive scheme. 1 person losing sight of their man forces rotations, 1 person not staying in front of their man forces help defense, 1 person not getting back in transition forces another person to cover 2 people, and 1 person not contesting a shot nullifies the work of 4 other people. One lapse is all it takes to render 23s of team defense worthless. Harden doesn't need to be Tony Allen. He only needs to be the guy that doesn't break the defensive scheme so often. Don't lose your man. Move your feet, not your hands. Funnel your man. Don't miss your rotations. Raise your hands to contest. It's not brain surgery. It does however require Effort. Great defense is harder than great offense because it requires 5 people to be locked in for a full 24s. It's also why many players don't like to play defense.
You are still putting it all on Harden without placing any blame on any of our other perimeter defenders. Burke tore up whoever was guarding him, that had little to do with Harden. He looked like Nash out there, strolling through the paint and nailing threes. Harden was not ALWAYS checking Hayward. This is scapegoating, one man is not the problem for poor team defense. No matter how much you try to spin it, it's just not true. What about when Harden was out and the 6ers tore them to shreds? Was it his fault then too?
This discussion is specifically about Harden vs George. There were errors in the game tonight from other players as well, however Harden is the most culpable when you're talking pure lack of effort. This is something that has been noted throughout this season AND last season. And Harden is going to get called out more because he's a MAX player. Max Players are supposed to be setting the Example. They're the ones that the rest of the team is supposed to be following in terms of setting the tone of the game offensively and defensively. Pointing out that other players have lapses does not excuse Harden's shortcomings when it comes to effort. Harden considers himself one of the leaders and veterans of the team. If he wants that mantle, it's only fair that he's expected to live up to it.
Maybe sir you need to practice what you are trying to preach here Jay. Real talk. Which one of these players shows up consistently on the defensive end of the court. We know that Harden is better offensively but PG is not that far behind like some are eluding too.
