He earns every penny of that contract! And he is good with the ball in his hands. He just is not that elite go to guy. I am sure the Pacers would love to add such a go to guy to their team. In the end it is a question of preference. Do I want the better alround player, or the player that is an elite go to guy. I believe most GMs would take the elite go to guy, if they don`t already have one on their team - because they are hard to come by. But every team in the league would love to have George! Both are great players. I remember us trying to draft George back then - wow, that would´ve been a great team...
He's been delivering so far this season, that is why they only have one loss on their record so far LikeMike.
Currently IMO Harden - Elite offense, Negative defense on most days (average on some) George - Great Offense (a tier below elite) and elite defense
Why do people act like offense is the only place where you can play poorly or have bad nights? Paul George gave up the easiest damn game winner that I've ever seen in playoff history. Vogel should have kept in Hibbert... but Paul George gift wrapped game 1 for LeBron and the Heat.
Doesn't fit into the formula? hello OKC? As hard of a worker? From what I've heard he's a gym rat, and so what is body isn't showing it, is Durant's? And Harden had I believe the fourth highest win share last year. He single handedly carried a lottery team to 45 wins. Again I will bet anyone that Harden and Dwight's Rockets will win a chip before PG's and Hibbert's Pacers.
Yeah, I am not disagreeing. So far he is in the top3-top5 as far as MVP rankings go. But his team also plays a big part in their success, especially Hibbert. Like I said, great player. Debatable if he or Harden is better - from a two way standpoint, George is clearly the better player. In my opinion because of his elite scoring Harden is the more valuable player. But again, that`s debatable and in the end it`s a question of preference.
Very debatable indeed and I agree with you big timer. Both player are dynamic, up and coming Superstars.
Also... Only LeBron and KD had a better TS% over Harden on that list... And every player on that list had another All Star player on the team with them. When Kobe didn't have another all star player on the court with him _ his team was a lottery team and Harden's team is a playoff team. And that was when Kobe was in his Prime and Harden is still a few years from reaching his. Give me the elite efficient scorer... The guy who went into San Antonio which is one of the best defensive teams in the league and put up 31 points on 19 shots with a clutch performance _ dropping dimes like change was falling out his pocket. All that defense San Antonio had did them no good....
I don't know Baller. As of right now _ George isn't playing much better than Parsons... So that kinda makes this Harden vs George debate ridiculous.
this debate will continue but imagine the two of them on the same team. Poor man's Jordan and Pippen combo imo
I sure hope you mean just the start of the season, because PG is playing better than Lebron so far but I don't see any PG vs Lebron threads? Exactly because its crazy talk. Look Pg is balling right now and he probably won't fall off much if any because he's a great player but James harden plays on our team and is equally as talented and superior is every aspect offensively and the gap between them defensively IMO is a little overrated. pG is better but with constant effort from harden like last night against the spurs I don't think this thread would have as many pages as it does.
I'll say it again... No matter who you think is better...If you're using the phrases "it's not close", "it's not debatable", "is far better", etc., you really just have absolutely no clue about basketball.
George leads Harden in advanced metrics by a decent margin. Even offensively biased metrics such as PER have George in the lead by a few points, per this season. Obviously, there is still a lot of basketball left to be played and perhaps Harden hasn't been 100% yet this year. But if you compare what they have done so far, then indeed "it's not debatable" is a phrase you could use to describe the comparison. No matter the comparison though, Harden simply has to get much better on defense before I will ever consider him to be a super star caliber player. Superstars play both ends of the floor. And until he is able to do this and until the Rockets are able to do it as a team we will not be winning a ship. No matter how good our offense is.
The difference in offense is closer than most people think. George TS is .590 Harden has stayed around .600 as the main option. We will have to see if george can keep it up forw the entire season.
Of course it's still debatable! Off the top of my head I could argue that if, as you said, you're looking at what they've done so far this year you could argue George going against weaker competition in the East, Harden being hurt, and/or Harden playing with new guys where as the Pacers have the same core from last year. Are these the strongest arguments ever? Maybe not, but it's still debatable. You can even find evidence of Harden playing really good defense when needed even though it's true, he can be atrocious a lot of the time. I haven't looked at the comparative stats this season between the two but just from watching games I'd still say Harden is better offensively and George is better defensively. The Pacers are hot right now and the Rockets are still putting all the pieces together... We'll see how things looks later on in the season or when we play against them. (Side note, we took care of business against them in the preseason for whatever that's worth) I won't write any more in this thread because really there's no point for the comparison right now. /wave
This forums does suck. Unfortunately, I don't have many options to choose from if I were to leave. They closed the old ESPN forums where I used to post for the last 15 years. But, on those forums they allowed people to speak and make posts as they saw fit. My biggest gripe with this forum is that I cannot start threads and that I'am forced to spend potentially 30 mins or an hour of my time to find a thread that is focused on what I wanted to talk about. I work 16 hours a day and 6 days a week, I don't have time to go sifting through threads to see if something I say has already been posted before.
