ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Spurs 11/30/2013

why are we taking so few corner 3's now? is it something to do with cutting out weakside doubles on dwight?

 

This is a statement win. Even before the game analysts were talking about how the spurs were going to win and the rockets still not good enough. BS......we are good deep and balanced and we have the pieces.
Proud of my team, let's keep it rolling.

 

Spurs kind of invented the corner 3.. it was a cornerstone of their offense in their championship years (Bruce Bowen...)

so it is only logical that they know how to shut it down, defend it effectively

 

nobody takes +/- seriously.

 

Lol. Yep. I wouldn't call them "overly statistically minded people" either. They just use the easiest, "most handy" statistic to make their arguments. When it benefits their arguments, +/- is an effective and useful tool for measuring success of a player. When it goes against their argument, then they say that +/- is flawed statistic that does not represent the effectiveness of the player game.

 

It is based on how good of a glue guy a player on a certain day is and how he fits with a unit.

For example you don't need me to tell you that Tony Parker is a superior individual player to Beverley.

Beverley played with a very good first unit and he also contributed down the stretch so his +- is good while Parker's unit often trailed.

Parker's role is that of a best player on a team while Beverley is the 7th best player on the roster. Bev just fits with the starting five like a glove.

 

So you're blaming all the Rockets lost games on Harden...??? Don't be stupid... If you can help it...

 

it's not just them, it's been common all season, none moreso than chandler, who seems to be taking all his 3's above the break now

 

I'm not saying that +/- is not an effective tool for game analysis. I just dislike when people aren't consistent with their game-to-game use of it or overuse of it.

I agree that Beverly played great in this game, despite his stats saying otherwise. However, it's unfair compare Parker's +/- to Beverly's or to make any conclusions based on it when Tony's team as a whole was outscored.

 

Now can we Please go back to Dallas and take care of them too!



Great win Rockets! Great win.

 

so youre saying harden singlehandedly won this game? and contributions of howard, beverley parsons etc were not important/crutial to the win?

we lost many games because of his poor defense or forcing iso...one game that he contributed the most wont win those games back...

 

It's way too early in the morning to put up with the sort of idiocy.

 

To use the superlative great is hyberbole. He played on a mediocre level. Spurs made the great run when parker blew by Beverly for ten straight points.

 

Absoutley right, Harden's FT% has been in the 80's for the past two years at least.

 

Great team win! Now time to get some health on the team. Spurs get away with a lot on their home court so it was nice to see the Rockets come back to get the W. This is the kind of game the team would've lost last season.

 

When using +/-, you don't use it from one game (too much randomness and noise). You use it for long term. It is also inherently faulty as it totally depends on who you play with.

 

So I wake up this morning and the Rockets still won last night, it is a good day.

DD

 

Agreed that you need large sample sizes to use +/- correctly. With "adjusted" +/- the impact of who you play with is reduced. The stat has its flaws, like all stats, but it's particularly useful for measuring the impact of defenders such as Asik, whose principal contribution is lowering the shooting percentage of the opposing team.

 

I was a bigger fan of Harden before I started watching every possession of the Rockets.
I am not saying he is not a super star or not capable, but his style and defense are a problem. He can also knocked down a huge three and help you get a big win in San Antonio, like a super star, but overall I think he was more minus than plus. He is not passing even when he is clearly not on. He never passes to an open shooter which I'm ok with if he is effective with his drives to the rim. From what I've seen until now you don't get the best out of him yet. I think a lot of it s that Harden cannot just play. He is young and wants to prove he is every bit the max player the Rockets made him to be.

 

Then do yourself a favor and stop watching.