[ClutchFans] Podcast: Taking a look at Omer Asik Trade Possibilities

people often speak on rondo because of his ability to create for others in half court offense something that is needed in playoffs when the game slows down. Perimeter defense, & he is proven as a playoff starting PG. Hitting the 3 in playoffs is not needed out of every player. See last years finals wade, Parker. Don't really shoot it. But they have players around them that can knock down the 3, just like we have several players also. When the going gets tuff at the end of a playoff games it's valuable to have a guy that can take care of the ball and set up a play.

Rockets offense is great with shooting 3s but another option to set up plays would be great. Mchale doesn't trust Lin or bev like that when game is on the line. Harden driving into the lane to get a foul (refs don't call it often in playoffs) or ISO is something you don't want to bet you money on the playoffs when the game is on the line, if you want the rockets to win a game. See our regular season 4th quarter collapses

 

Let's see. Rondo is coming off an injury and has not played in 10 months. Is he the same Rondo? Rondo must have the ball in his hands to be effective. Harden must have the ball in his hands to be effective. How is that supposed to work out? Rondo is well known to be difficult, to say the least, in the locker room. Rondo is not an effective scorer. He puts up many long two point shots. Morey has effectively rid the lineup of players who take the mid-ranged jump shot. The majority of Rondo's shots are away from the basket.





Seems to me that Rondo is the antithesis of a Morey player.

 

I would like to see a season where Rondo has to play with non-HOF players to see what his true stats are before crowning him a great PG.

 

If Rondo were traded here he would either adjust his game or be traded out.

But Rondo's not a scorer. He's a facilitator. How would that work with Harden? Very simply:

1. Rondo is going to get 15-18 minutes a game running the show with Harden taking a break.

2. Rondo is way too intelligent a basketball player to not be an asset when him and Harden play together. If he's spotted up and the Harden pick-and-roll fails and they throw it out to Rondo...Rondo can break down any defender on the dribble...he'll simply drive and kick or finish as the secondary part of the play. Similar to Lin except with far, far, far fewer turnovers and far fewer shots taken as opposed to shots generated.


You don't trade for Rondo and expect him to shoot the 3-ball. You trade for Rondo and expect him to create shots for others.

Every team needs 2 shot creators. One shot creator cannot play 48 minutes every game.

 

You can pull up all those stats you want, but if you would rather want Lin or bev to be your pg the playoffs I understand that offense is you main concern. It's not all about where he takes his shots, but the presence he will bring to a playoff series & it seems like offense is the main argument many of people keep having

I would love for bev/Lin to step up this year and be that guy in playoffs and play big on offense & defense, have respect from their teammates to call out a play and everyone executes the play. The play still can be to harden just would be a play were mchale trustees bev/Lin setting up harden. Harden is great but I he's no MJ/Kobe yet where you just put the ball and his hands in just trust him for the win in playoffs.

 

Basically Lin is a goner even not by mid Dec this year or next year when he fulfill his contract.
So if any chance to get Rondo, why not?? Or you want to wait for Lull??

 

The Rockets have two reliable shot creators. Lin and Harden. And both can create their own shot. Unlike Rondo. See this thread for an in depth look at Lin:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=247577

For all of the (obvious) reasons I pointed out do not expect to see Rondo in a Rockets uniform. It would be both subtraction by addition (Rondo) and subtraction by subtraction (losing Asik and Lin).

 

At the end of Lin's contract the Rockets will hold onto his Bird rights. Meaning that they can go over the cap to sign him at will. Lin seems to be a very happy Rockets player. If the Rockets wish, Lin will be here for a long time.

 

I'm all for rockets keeping their core and just add pieces like the spurs do. Morey will have bird rights for Lin & parsons. I want Lin to stay but I want him to prove that he can be trusted the playoffs with scoring & taking care of the ball.

 

^^^^ And I'm for sure all in for keeping ASIK !! so I'm with you in that one

 

It is true that Lin is both a good shot creater and scorer. But Lin's contract is going to cause him to get traded.

THE HUGE PROBLEM with Harden and Lin is they are BOTH HIGH TURNOVER GUYS. I can't say it enough. THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM for a team with championship aspirations. A championship preventing problem. Go back and run your metrics on championship teams and turnovers. Look for the thresh holds of turnover percentages and the teams with the highest turnover percentages to win championships. Then look at the metrics this team is kicking out and go back and look at last year's metrics on turnovers. And consider that not only are Harden and Lin BOTH high turnover guys but your primary big man who is touching the ball more than anybody besides Harden is ALSO a very high turnover guy.

Something has to give and it's going to give with Lin. I like the guy. Have nothing against him. I think he's been underused here. Bottom line is he's gonna get traded. Contract, value, etc. He's going to get traded. And when he is traded you're gonna need that second playmaker. Perhaps that guy is Brooks. He is firing on all cylinders so far. But the problem with Brooks is if his shot goes cold he gives you NOTHING ELSE, no assists, no defense...absolutely nothing else.

This team needs a second playmaker that has an assist/turover ratio more in line with what championship teams have. Frankly, it really needs a primary playmaker that has an assist/turnover ratio more in line with what championship teams have. Frankly, I'm not convinced we can win a championship if Harden himself doesn't learn better ball control and learns to play within himself more.

Rondo...may not be the perfect fit. But.....trading Asik (and Lin) could come down to getting the best possible player and getting our cap set up in the best possible manner going forward to make moves this coming off season.

 

Lin isn't going anywhere.

 

who should we trade harden for after we trade lin since you said both are high turnover guys.

 

Rondo makes more than Lin so what's your point? Rondo isn't just a horrible fit, he's also over priced, his 12M salary is enough to pay for Lin, Bev, Brooks, Canaan and still have some change to spare. I'm not really sure why the high turnover rate is such a big thing to you, Rondo may not turn the ball over as much but he has a broken J, this causes his shots to miss and get rebounded by the opponent which is much worse than a turnover because it leads to fast breaks ont he other end. Your cap related points don't make sense because Lin's contract expires at the same time Rondo's does.

You have a point about Brooks being useless when hsi shot isn't falling, but at the contract we signed him in we can afford 13 brooks for one Rondo. In this case we can field 3 pgs for Rondo's price, I'd rather have those 3 than Rondo.

 

I know rondo has no jumpshot, his free throws are ehh and he may be a locker room cancer like you guys say but i wouldn't mind having him because he could bring the ball up and set Harden up for an open jumpshot. IMO

 

I don't understand this Rondo does not fit crap, how could you possibly know he wouldn't fit?

I hope we trade for Rondo just so he shut everybody up. My goodness you guys underrate Rondo, the guy is a top 5 pg in the NBA and the most unselfish player in the NBA. Yet you guys say he want fit.

 

My goodness the basketball knowledge on this board is very low.

Rondo making 12mil and you call him overpaid?

Meanwhile a guy like Deron Williams is making 18mil and he is not as good as Rondo.SMH

 

Yeah, Rondo should take that extra 1 step further and take the 3p shot.

 

Asik for ibaka! Make it happen

 

Rondo would be perfect for this team. He can't shoot, but he still can get in the lane and get points. That would be easier here since teams couldn't leave Howard or an outside shooter to deny his penetration. A team with a C who can finish and tons of shooters is perfect for Rondo. And his defense at the PG spot is exactly what we need to get out of the West (Parker, Westbrook, Curry).

Too bad we don't have enough to land him.