You know, you're right. But there's a problem saying that here. This guy is a hype man. That appeals to the cowardly and low IQ demo because their ability to assess options are limited. You put Beethoven, or Mozart or Radiohead in front of them and it's just too sophisticated and subtle to get. They live a life of fear, the Mathlooms, Reekos,etc. of the world. So when they see a mediocre guy waving his arms and making a lot of noise, lacking the actual nuances of any genius, they're impressed because they can vicariously live through it. It's not the music itself, it's the noise and the fearlessness that arouses cowards. Haha, and if you want to call that genius, then go ahead. But there are a million of those in every country, so don't make it an exclusive term. And he's insecure enough to constantly play with the media 24/7, which every other real artist couldn't care less about. As Harlem says, the guy is a beatmaker. A jermaine dupee, a dre, and he puts all that money into avenue's related to how the media perceives him. So cowrads, who are forever puppets on the end of a string, relate to that. The majority of the world, relates to that. But you're an actual musician. You make a living off of something you love and believe in. None of these other guys can say that. I'd save the energy and not explain this to them and keep doing what you do, because Clang clang. Clang clang. It's that empty vessel ***** on anutha level bruvva, processing that infurmation. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/t8Hba9OKzA8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Stop treating the commercial music industry schpecial. Would you say the same thing about painters and ballerinas. Most commercial music is pure pop. It's like going into a ramada inn and defending their pop art on the wall. Pop music playing from a radio is artistically no different than art at a bus station. It's not schpecial The only thing special about music is we can carry it around with us. It can and does actively define us. Which is why People vehemently defend their music same as they defend their hair style and fashion, but don't defend paintings in the lobby of their bank. . Fashion is pop. Do we call Marc Jacobs a genius or a savvy fashion business man producer. Girls don't when they buy his purses. But they still want them. Trust me on this fashion analogy and art analogy It's fine to like it. But quit defending like its art much like white knights defend stripper dancing as art Stop being a white knight for Kanye west pop music. Just say you like it and move on.
Well said. I don't want to make this about me, nor do I want to disrespect JayGoogle, as I do respect his opinions whether it seems that way or not. Just stating my opinions. My problem is with the machine, not with anyone in particular. Having said that, I actually give very little credence to it at this point in my life. I do love me some Radiohead!
Careful jumping off your high horse. I'm not just some celeb jock sniffer. I went to school for sound engineering. I've worked in studios for 5 years. I know how much hard work it take to create music. I've seen Hip Hop producers work their asses off to create music so I appreciate it. I appreciate anyone who busts their ass to make anything
Considering the fact that you attacked me, I think it is well within reason to defend myself. I also think your comment is enormously misinformed as most of the top composers and performers are associated with a University or Conservatory. IE Charles Ives, Yale. Milton Babbit, Princeton. In this way they are given stability in order to continue pursue their own endeavors much like a scientist works with a universities funding. Karlheinz Stockhausen wrote a very good essay on this a while back if you are interested. I digress, some people want to have just enough to make their art without becoming a product of the system.
The high definition p*rn industry employs sound engineers, lighting, directors and makeup/cleanup crews What's your point? Quit treating commercial pop music as schpecial. Do you know what it takes to create a Christian Louboutin shies. No you don't. That's why you don't call him a artist/genius even though 90% of women in the western world want a pair of his shoes. So insdted you call pop musicians artist because that's what you know Don't even argue with my shoe / women's fashion analogy. Because your "I'm a sound engineer" is annoying It's pop art no different than fashion. Quit making pop music sound so artistically schoecial when it categorically is not to the point of obnoxiousness when someone claims pop music is more special and equivalent in analogy to a Picasso on the wall of MoMA
While I agree with most everything you say, I do have tremendous respect for sound engineers. It is still a very underrated field and has an extensive history since as early as Pierre Schaffer. Like any other artform, it's not black and white
I think the term itself "X is a genius." is overused. People have different meanings for it too. Sometimes someone is just basically saying "I love everything they create." and other times someone is saying that 'X' is a talent that is rare and generational. I guess the latter could be argued but it's hard to disprove since their work can live beyond all of our years. Personally I'd save that word for those that are truly generational but it's used to lightly now... But yeah, comparing him to Beiber is no evidence of being a genius in my mind either, but if someone thinks that. Well that's just them. Well we can agree on the grammies. But I doubt contemporary composers and the like care about Kanye. I just said within the hip-hop community he has been respected. I'm not sure how much that is now though as he has veered into the pop lane now. Listening to him, his end goal is fashion. Which is quite interesting seeing as how he's been involved with hip-hop all his life and now he wants to innovate the fashion world somehow... With that said, I can't blame a guy for wanting to be relevant and celebrated. It gets him more money and I can't knock the hustle. I think some artist DO need that recognition though. Not exactly for the money, but just the recognition that their work is out there and is being appreciated. Yeah it is disrespectful, I never said it wasn't though. I never agreed that he is a genius, I'm just saying it's not really on me to decide. If someone else thinks that I won't put down or belittle their opinion about it either. Him saying he's a genius...well that's on him. If he wants to compare himself to Da Vinci then that's his problem. I did say I questioned his sanity. I guess my point is that not one person can say what is great and what is not. Some have more informed opinions than others surely, but they are still just that. The perfect example is the contrast of Van Gogh and Picasso. One was a starving artist whose work wasn't appreciated until death while the other was the opposite of that. Van Gogh even said that while his work may not be appreciated now, that it would be later. Very arrogant of him to say that but he proved to be right. Not to say Kanye's prediction will be proven right (I'm certainly not placing his creativity and expression on a Van Gogh/Picasso level. Just a example), honestly I don't care but I doubt it. But it's not my place to say either way, it's just one opinion in a sea of others. In the end, I do understand the frustration. Music is not my field really, I'm a movie and literature guy. So it annoys the hell out of me to see so many people excited about the next super-hero flick for example. I just understand that many people watch them, it makes them laugh, it makes them oooh and aaah as explosions litter the screen.... I highly DOUBTthose movies will stand the test of time, but it's not my place to say they won't. I mean again, I really doubt they will....But honestly I get it...
Well I think there are many other things special about music than just it defining us. I do agree though, it does play a huge role into who we are. Meh, if I see a painting on the wall that I love and someone says it sucks I should defend my opinion. It doesn't have to be hanging in some Paris art fair to be considered art. I could be the only person that likes that painting, that gives it a second or third glance, but in my mind it's special. That's all that matters in the end. Whose to say that if that motel is destroyed in some catastrophe and 200 years later someone stumbles upon it and it resonates with more people that it doesn't become a classic? To me as long as it displays some form of expression, creativity, tickles the soul in some way. It is art. We can debate the quality of it until the end of time but neither will be right. I'm not defending it. I'm defending the opinion of it. Pfft, have you seen the make up work those p*rn make-up artist do? If that is not art then I don't know what is
lol kanye west is such a joke now, his first few albums had him in the top 3 in my book but his last few efforts combined with his delusions have dropped him from relevancy. Eminem is the most influential artist of the past decade imo. Eminem would eat kanye alive.
I woke up early this morning with a new of state of mind a creative way to rhyme without using knives and guns.
HEY EVERYBODY, ANOTHER KANYE THREAD!!! This is why he stays relevant. These threads are like the E! CHANNEL of internet posting.
I'm curious if Kanye read this thread, how much he would understand of it and what his response would be?
This is a really bad and extremely arrogant post. Apparently only highly educated people with a deep understanding of musical history can be a genius in the field of POP MUSIC? And calling his music generic makes you sound pretty ignorant. Have you listened to Kanye? Do you have any interest in rap music? Who are these 21st century composers who are true pop music geniuses that we will be listening to in 100 years. One of the worst posts I've read in quite a while.
You can't be serious with this reasoning... Kanye is a talented producer with the same cut-and-paste approach that's plagued the genre since Michael Jackon... He reached the mountain top and beyond in music entertainment and now everyone thinks that's the only way to do it... Kanye merely takes this approach to rap... and even that isn't unique... Jay-Z was doing that when he was working with Kanye as a producer... Everyone in pop wants to be MJ... Kanye merely veered of course from the usual gangsta/pimp bravado of the genre.. and took a more contemporary, friendly, general audience pop angle... Which this itself isn't unique either, as that's basically how rap first reached mainstream audiences in the 80's.. The final ingredient is controversy... Kanye manages this by dressing "white" in a genre favored by "keep it real" urbanites - which in itself makes him a lot more marketable for a wider audience- and being an idiot with a big mouth... There's no mystery behind Kanye's success... and there's certainly no unique "genius" vision responsible for it..
Think you are simplifying the uniqueness of his music production. There is really no other peer in the world of hip hop. Everything else about him is noise. As for calling him a genius. It is too subjective of a term to really matter. I personally happen to think he has produced the best rap music of the century so far, but so what? He is also the most commercially successful and most critically acclaimed rap artist of the century. Again that doesn't make him a genius either. I do have to ask though, are there any rap artists ( or pop music artists in general) that people would consider geniuses? Maybe the answer is no, because it will always be subjective.
