[ClutchFans] Podcast: Taking a look at Omer Asik Trade Possibilities

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IMO, PG is the weakest spot on the roster with the emergence of Jones who can stretch.

I know Rondo's name has been mentioned, what about Deron Williams? The Nets have started terribly and if they don't turn it around does Asik+Lin get DWill? I think the money is close but not sure. Seems good trade for both teams assuming it works.

 

The reason why the Nets have been terrible is because DWill is injured. Why do we want to bring in a dude who's getting older and can't manage to stay healthy? He's also one of the most unmotivated PGs in the league, he let the scrubs of the Chicago Bulls eliminate the Nets in the playoffs. I watched that whole series and was disgusted with how he let Nate Robinson and Kurt Hinrich outplay him so bad. A big hell no to DWill. I'm still convinced, if we need to trade up, go with Rondo! Besides, the Nets have Brook, the better Lopez, I doubt they want Asik.

This trade doesn't even make sense from the Nets' side.

 

I actually think the hawks would love to have Asik because their defence is horrible,remember tthat Omer was their plan b since Dwight came to Houston,so Morey should rob them bady,I think they would give up anyone except for Horford.

 

Well question is what do they have apart from Horford that's worth getting? Asik with Horford will probably give them the best frontcourt in the East and make them one of the top teams, making picks worthless. Unless Asik really wants out no matter what, it be better to just keep Asik until you get a really good deal.

 

I want an expiring and a pick for Asik - we are good everywhere else, let's do what the Spurs do, keep the core and draft talent.

DD

 

I´ve just read that the Cavs are supposedly shopping Waiters - I haven`t really followed him and don`t really know his game, but he was the 4th pick just last season and his numbers ain`t bad either. His 3pt shot seem to have improved greatly and his struggles seem to be because of chemistry problems in the team.

Is he a decent defender? His upside could be huge and I think he is the kind of player Morey may target in a trade with Asik - perhaps package one of our PGs (probably either Brooks or Beverly) and get him and Varejao?

 

I think that's most likely, assets, assets, assets.

 

How the f*** is PG the weakest spot on the roster

That doesn't even make sense

We have THREE guys who could start on at least some NBA teams, and Lin is having a 6th man of the year type season

Weakest spot on the roster? Either SF or PF. Probably still the 4 just because Jones hasn't proven it for long enough. But if Jones keeps it up all season, the weakest spot is the 3.

 

Brooklyn is already set with Lopez at C.

 

Its because Lin + beverly combined avg < 7 assists in 60 minutes. I think the poster is merely saying an upgrade to the PG spot would be more welcome than PF spot, not that PG is a weakness. For me the good thing is with TJ playing well, we can look at upgrading for the better player, not position. For example I'd love Rondo for Lin / Asik as he'd make everyone's life easier on offense and there is our perimeter defender. On the other hand, if we nab a KG type, we'll go from one of the worst defensive rebounding / P & R teams to one of the best. Either way, with TJ emerging, it will expand Morey's possibilities to no end.

 

It's really not that complicated.

WARNING: I am NOT advocating this trade, nor am I saying that either team would agree to this trade. I'm simply showing an example of a feasible Lin/Asik for Deng/Boozer trade purely from a cap standpoint.

(Remember that Chicago currently only has 13 players on its roster, so the Bulls can take on two more contracts than it sends out, without having to waive anyone.)

Trade 1: Houston sends Omer Asik and Ronnie Brewer to Chicago for Luol Deng
Trade 2: Chicago sends Erik Murphy to Houston (via Minimum Salary Exception)
Trade 3: Houston sends Jeremy Lin, Donatas Motiejunas and Greg Smith to Chicago for Carlos Boozer

Chicago ends up with a total of 15 players, and the Rockets end up with 13 players. No one NEEDS to be waived. Plus, the Rockets (presumably) would only be trading away two rotation players and getting back two rotation players, so there's really not much "gutting" of the roster.

Personally, I'm not interested in Boozer's bloated contract, especially when Deng is only under contract for this season and can bolt this summer.

A trade for Deng without involving Boozer, however? THAT I might be interested in.

 

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Actually that wouldn't even work unless we were able to dump more salary somewhere. Second move puts us above the luxury tax.

 

Good point. Yeah, it would be a little tougher than I originally imagined.

Good thing Morey likely has no interest in any trade involving Boozer's contract.

 

No question about that.


The only real question about Chicago regarding our team is whether or not they are serious about hanging on to Deng, Mirotic and the Charlotte pick. If they are unwilling to part with any of those assets for Lin (and/or Asik), then there is nothing going to happen between us and Chicago of any consequence.

 

He's contract is longer than two years.

 

I dont understand this whole trade for rondo crap. Yes he is a star player but he can not fit into the system the rockets are running. He cant hit the 3 at all.

 

Let me start this way. I would not want to trade Asik and/or Lin at all. At the moment the "second unit" (Asik, Lin, Garcia, Casspi and Brooks/Brewer) is capable to score 40-60 points a night with excellent defensive presence when given 20+ minutes. That is outright deadly in the league. A team with that kind of depth from the bench is a contender. Plain and simple.

If Asik wants the trade, it may consume Lin as well. Simply because Lins salary is the only one that allows any kind of matching. I think that there will not be any trades with Chicago because Asik would put them automatically in the repeated offender cap tax bracket. They will not do that. I still think that the Cavs would be a good choice.

They need a centre like Asik badly. They would probably offer Varejao who has a team option for 2014-2015. They would probably want to add Waiters to that package. Waiters has a rookie contract. In other words, it would provide a lot of flexibility in the cap. In my opinion, considering the situation in Cleveland, they could add a first round pick to the mix as they have huge amount of picks piled up.

 

Judging from how Morey operated in the first couple year he was GM, the last time he probably operated in contender mode, the odds of him swinging a big one for for nothing but future value seems slim to none to me, he's going to look for quality role players if he's going to do this trade.

If we assume that Battier was the work of Morey as well (as he was already assistant GM at that point) that seems to be one of the most clear sign of the type of guys we might get, really underrated role players.

My money is on Amir Johnson

 

I see your point, but I can't see why the Raptors would want Asik if they are building on Valanciunas?

Having seen a respectable number of alternatives, I would still like to know who will serve as the backup center after Asik. Gregg Smith? I think he is a good option, but it is very hard to know as he has played so little this season. D-Mo is another option, but he is nothing like Asik defensively.

The fact is that the Rockets simply do not need a scorer (what a funny thing to say). It is almost ironic that Asik appears to be the perfect guy for the Rockets needs.