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How did McHale become so untouchable on Clutch?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SugarLandDream8, Nov 27, 2013.

  1. SugarLandDream8

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    Rudy T was a Rockets legend as a player and a coach who led us to b2b titles. Yes he deserved to be immune to a certain extent to critic.


    Adelman, JVG was attacked here a lot.

    McHale can't really be attacked anymore. Before Lin he wasn't treated with preferential treatment. He was attacked just as much as JVG and Adelman who are both vastly better coaches. Both of them had a lot of success as head coaches.

    McHale can no longer really be critic anymore and people know it. He is below avg at best as a head coach
     
  2. jtr

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    Starting Bev is a tactical solution to the problem of when Lin is in the starting line up there are not enough shots to go around. Nothing more. To declare it a coaching error is to focus on base box score analysis, completely missing the big picture.
     
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    Ok that is fair. I am surprised that post Harden analysts still thought we would be mediocre. Based on my expectations for this team i thought we were below expectations. I saw us making the playoffs but we should have been higher than an 8th seed. the way we played towards the end of the season was an embarrassment and some of the coaching decisions left me befuddled.

    I also did say that McHale deserves this season to show his worth. We have a crazy amount of talent so there really aren't any more excuses. In a perfect world McHale should get more than one full season with harden howard Lin parsons but this isn't a perfect world and we can't waste years off of Harden adn Howards prime for Mchales trial run. By the end of the season we have to make a decision as to whether he is the answer at HC.

    I never disagree with McHale going with the TT experiment. What I wanted for him to do was figure out a way to either make the TT line up work or scrap the TT and improve our overall defense which hasn't happened. And LOL to your last sentence. I am just having a conversation with you, I am not ehre to fight and or mock people. Call my eyes lying or demean my opinion all you want, I am entitled to it. And you do realize that an unsupported opinion is an oxymoron right?
     
  4. jtr

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    Man. Your analysis is shallow. Your understanding is minimal. Your knowledge is below average. Give it up please.
     
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    sounds about right, in that mchale is always quickest to indemnify himself after losses and deflect all blame to his team and players. never once heard him take responsibility for any coaching error in a game, much less an actual loss
     
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    I'll name the starting PGs who are better defensively:

    Paul
    Rondo
    Rubio

    And maybe Lowry/Conley
     
  7. sirbaihu

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    I see what you're getting at.
     
  8. roxxy

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    I do agree with you that Bev has been pretty awful thus far. He struggles offensively and his defense has been less than advertised. I also agree that there is a bit of a double standard. Fans killed rafer and JCDenton had the Jeremy Lin sucks thread created 5 games into the season and bev has been playing just as bad as lin was last year and yet haven't heard much about it.

    Be that as it may i think you are being unduly harsh on bev. I think he deserves a full season to see whether he is capable of being a quality NBA starter. The jury is still out on him. We already know that Lin is an above average starting PG. We deserve to know the same about Bev because we are eventually going to have to start making decisions as to who we should go with permanently.
     
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    Was "not enough shots to go around" an issue in the 82 games Lin started last season or the 7 he started this year? What was the W/L? Are Harden, Parsons, Howard scoring more in the games Lin doesn't start?


    Did Lin starting 82 games last year keep Harden from being a scoring machine?
     
  10. roxxy

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    The OP has been on this board since 2008 why dismiss him as a Lin fan? If bev was playing a lot better I don't see OP creating this thread at all.
     
  11. SugarLandDream8

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    Believe it or not I really Like Bev. He's one of the top 5 current players on this team I root for.

    I don't blame him for McHale's poor coaching. He's basically a rookie and coach throws him in as a starter to get destroyed.

    If Lin doesn't start, Brooks should. There can be an argument Brooks is the best PG followed by Lin. That is more in line with reality. Brooks was the MIP and has shown he can be the starting PG for a playoff bound team and avg close to 20 ppg.

    Bev is a work in progress who right now is a defensive specialist, a high energy guy off the bench.

    Starting him sorts of negates a lot of his positives imo.

    Honestly I can't think of 1 NBA starting PG right now worst than Bev or 1 starting Rockets PG in the last 20 years or so who was as bad as Bev is as a starting PG.
     
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    I am not sure I buy the logic that there aren't enough shots to go around therefore Lin isn't starting. The prevailing logic on CF is that all our guys are team first guys and could care less about shots. So if Lin starts, that should have no affect on guys getting less shots because all our players care about is the win.
     
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    You do realize that McHale did not have to convince himself that TT was not working, he had to provide Morey with proof that he needed to trade the Rockets third best player? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    I deleted that last part of my post because I remember when you first started out posting here. GO ROCKETS!
     
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    No Bev isn't the worst starting guard in the NBA right now. He is better than Felton. Yes bev is a work in progress and I do agree that Bev thus far hasn't shown much to be inspired by. But he deserves a chance to show what he can do. The NBA guard position is deep right now and a lot of the elite guards are signed off. We have two PG's on our team who have high ceilings. We have seen Lin as a starter and he has been successful in that role, let Bev have a turn. Rockets need to take chances and not make the same mistake in the past they made with Lin where they dismissed a talented player and sent him off to NY to unleash Bevsanity.
     
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    Do you have any evidence to back it up?
     
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    Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! What has changed since last season??? I cannot think of it. My mind has gone blank. Sure! Why is there not again the 12 shots available to the starting lineup like last season???? LIN SHOULD START! FIRE MCHALE!
     
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    James Harden was voted all NBA 3rd team and is now considered the top SG in the league even though he plays ZERO D and doesn't even try. Should a defensive specialist be the starting SG in place of Harden.

    You greatly over state Beverly's defensive abilities. Watch some games he's been abused badly. Fans just don't discuss it. Even back up PGs score 20 point on Bev.
     
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    That's because Beverly doesn't really cost us wins. Everyone knows how awaful his offense is, but it's not like he chucks up bad shots like Rafer Alston did that took possessions away from Tmac and Yao.

    He clearly gives it all on defense, and doesn't get in the way of Howard, Harden and Parsons on offense, therefore you can't really blame him for anything, therefore there isn't a thread complaining about him. None of his fans thought he was a star, he is just what he is.
     
  19. larsv8

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    LOL

    I don't even know what to say to you.

    I mean I want to believe all this isn't really about Jeremy Lin, but I am pretty sure it is.
     
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    Heh heh. OP so transparent. We knew all along this was just another pro-Lin, anti-everyone else thread.

    Why you talking about guards? This is your very own "criticize McHale" thread. Get back on topic.

     

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