Meh, I feel like a ton of Rondo's assists came from two things: 1) He played with not one, not two, but THREE all stars who could all create their own shot 2) Boston scorers are notorious for being extremely flexible about what's an assist in order to pad Rondo's numbers The problem with stating that Rondo is a "penetrating playmaker" is that he sucks at converting on layups, so teams aren't going to collapse like they would against, say, Lin. Most of the time when he was being a "penetrating playmaker" he would dump it off to Allen/Garnett/Pierce who would then beat their man 1 on 1.
Basically, Rondo's reputation as a playmaker is waaay overstated. I won't disagree that he's a good passer, but that's basically his one and only offensive threat as a player.
Rondo does not suck at finishing layups. In the big 3 era in Boston, which is now over, Rondo had a tendency to overpass, to not take the wide open layup instead opting to throw it out to Garnett/Pierce/RayRay for the jumpers. But his ability to actually finish at the rim is fine. Rondo didn't rack up assists by throwing it to guys that created their own shots. While Pierce could do that the other two at that stage of their career were essentially spot-up shooters. And when Pierce created his own shot...Rondo wasn't getting the assist. I know you guys have this idea that Boston's scorekeepers padded his stats. There's very little merit to such bunk. In 12-13 he averaged less than one assist more at home than on the road and in 11-12 he actually averaged more assists on the road than at home. So the idea of home cooking is a non-starter. Guys....Rondo is a superstar. Love him or hate him. He's a legit, legit superstar.
You can claim mediocre but Lin running the point with Bradley/Crawford at the 2, Green/Wallace at the 3, Sullinger/Kelly at the 4, with Asik patrolling the paint for them makes them highly, highly competitive in the East. That team with no further additions is better than everybody in the East not named Heat and Pacers.
I don't dispute anything you said.... But if Rondo is a superstar player as you say _ the Rockets don't have enough to trade for him...Fans here OVERvalue our players. Just like when they THOUGHT the Rockets trade package for Howard was the best Orlando could get and it wasn't. When and or "IF" Boston trades Rondo _ they can possibly get a lot more for him than what the Rockets have to offer. And Boston is in a position where they can keep Rondo out the entire season if they want and set themselves up for the draft and free agency after this season. And Boston isn't even shopping Rondo... If they do they are going to wait until he gets on the court so he can showcase himself and show his injury had no effect on his game. So right now all of this Rondo talk is meaningless...
Being #3 in the east doesn't say much... That's a garbage conference... And if Rondo is the SUPERSTAR you specifically pointed him out to be _ Boston can be #3 with him...
Boston can be #3 with Rondo but they have nothing in the middle to defend the rim. Nothing. He is a superstar. And Lin is being wasted here. Lin should be starting and running a team and Asik should be starting and locking down the paint for somebody. There is an obvious fit here for a trade. I'm not saying Boston is going to trade Rondo to Houston. I don't know for sure what Morey's interest level is on Rondo as far as fit, etc. But Morey knows talent. He knows Rondo is a superstar. And if you think Ainge isn't shopping Rondo, well, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona.....
That's a obvious fit for you... May not be that way to Danny... Lol... If Danny shops Rondo _ it won't be until he's on the court. Anyone who trades for Rondo before they can see what he does on the court _ you can sale that ocean front property in Arizona to them because that would be stupid... Especially after seeing what Rose is going through. And Shumpert hasn't been the same after he blew his knee out either. People need to get thru their heads that Rondo F'd up his knee and why trade for a player that could end up being useless. Now if your only concern is to get Jermey somewhere he can start and you don't care about the Rockets... I understand why the trade sounds good to you.
I've said for a long time that there is the possibility that we could trade for Rondo. I'm not worried about his injury. He's a different kind of athlete than Rose. Yes, he'll have to get back on court and any trade of Rondo (if Boston does unload him) will most likely take place in February. But not necessarily so. Funny. Now we've got posters trying to quash Rondo's trade value along with trying to say he's worth so much that we couldn't possibly trade for him. That tells me that Asik/Lin/picks is probably pretty fair value for him. I doubt Boston could do better if they attempted to trade him. And I doubt that the Rockets could obtain a single better player than Rondo for the Asik/Lin combo this year.
Rondo might be the only PG available now that can take the ball out of Harden hand and maybe ask howard to do more p&r. Harden is a good playmaker but i dont think he can run the offense as well as a PG do. I will do everything to get Rondo.
Unless somehow you are thinking of trading Parsons, then why do you bring in LBJ and KD? So is getting Dwight or even Harden going to stop LBJ and KD? Different position different dilemma. The over reliance of Harden is due to 2 things, the coaching staff as well as the personals on the roster. There is no one else that can create off the dribble other than Harden, a little of Parsons and gasp , oh no, Casspi. ( Not going to talk about Lin ). Thats why I would like to see Rondo in a Rox uni. Because it then takes pressure away from Harden and Parsons. Now instead of having Parsons doing the dribble drive off a pass from Harden with Bev/Lin spotting a 3, you have Harden doing the dribble drive off a pass from Rondo with Parsons spotting the corner 3. Another reason why I think Rondo can succeed in a Rox uni? You said it best yourself, Rondo stats pads as he plays with 3 all stars that can "create their own shots". If having 3 all stars that create their own shots, and rondo still can get those number of assist (as I believe an assist will not be counted if those shots are being created by the scorer) as well as being the primary ball handler. I guess he can do that for Dwight, Harden and the plethora of 3p shooters. And finally, maybe just maybe I get to see a lot more of AB0 instead of Bev. But at the end of the day, despite the Mchale ties with Celts its hard for me to see a Morey trading for someone so soon after coming back from a major injury. As I do thinks that Asik will be traded comes Dec 15th.
People around here said Orlando couldn't get a better trade package for Howard than what Houston had to offer BUT THEY DID.... And once Rondo comes back and if he's the same ol Rondo _ Boston can get more for him than Asik and Lin.
With the Rondo injury taken into account I think if Morey is trying to upgrade the 1 then it will be with a shooting PG more so than a dribble heavy PG with a high volume of assists. It seems Morey teams have always always had solid shooting PGs (even when they couldn't shoot before they were on the team - Kyle Lowry). I don't think he values Rondo as much as some would hope. Also, since Rondo can't shoot, when the ball is out of his hands on offense he becomes a liability. We value shooters at our 1-4. That is the way of Morey. Not saying there isn't a way he would trade for Rondo but I think it is a lot less than Asik/Lin/picks.
I can't... I don't pretend to think I know everything and come on here and play NBA2K GM... But if Rondo is the same ol Rondo and is a superstar player as you state... Why trade him for two players who are about to be unrestricted free agents...???? They would be getting no star player _ just two rental players for a season. Plus Asik and Lin are owed $30 million their final year... I got a beach house to sale you in Idaho by the way... Let me know if you're interested
People here really would want Lin or bev to be our PG going into the playoffs over Rondo ???!!!! the goal for the rockets is to go far as possible in the playoffs, I like bev and Lin, Bevs pesky D, lins ability to score over 30 plenty of times.. But neither are PLAYOFFS PROVEN. Rondo averaged a triple double against heat, when Lin or bev can at least score 20 points OR get 10assist in ONE playoffs game then I will consider them as a PG I can trust in the playoffs. rondo mid range and 3 has been proven in the playoffs, seems like that's the argument about rondo, he can't shoot, if that's the case watch this Playoffs game where he put up 44 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyfsS0bFK8 anyone with basketball knowledge knows rondo would better the rockets chances to getting to the WCF over Lin or bev, and please believe MOREY feels the same way NBA champion (2008) 4× NBA All-Star (2010–2013) All-NBA Third Team (2012) 2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2010–2011) 2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2009, 2012) NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2007) 2× NBA assists leader (2012-2013) NBA steals leader (2010)
Because they're not about to become unrestricted free agents. Not the least bit interested in Idaho. Not even for a cheap potato farm. If you can't name the team and the trade you shouldn't be making statements about what Boston can get for Rondo that is so much better than Asik/Lin/picks.
Lin will pack the seats because of his Harvard ties, you get top 3 defensive center in the NBA, they make playoffs, and still have picks on deck and other players they can trade green, Wallace etc
