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Deal reached with Iran!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Apps, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>"This comprehensive solution would involve a mutually defined enrichment program..." <a href="http://t.co/kstTpXq4E3" title="http://www.irna.ir/en/News/80918859/Politic/Full_text_of_Iran-5_1_agreement_in_Geneva" org_href="http://www.irna.ir/en/News/80918859/Politic/Full_text_of_Iran-5_1_agreement_in_Geneva">irna.ir/en/News/809188…</a> <a class="hashtag" action="hash" title="#IranDeal">#IranDeal</a></p>&mdash; Jackson Diehl (@JacksonDiehl) <a href="https://twitter.com/JacksonDiehl/status/404588832856629249" data-datetime="2013-11-24T06:34:29+00:00">November 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...bamas-iran-deal-disappointing-jonathan-strong

     
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  2. Andre0087

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    Inspectors will be allowed in most areas, some they haven't had access to before. Again, if it doesn't work out you still can reinforce the sanctions and/or military options.
     
  3. Refman

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    We've been down this road before. Regimes that want nukes despite the objection of the international community will agree to inspections. What happens when it is time to have those inspections may be less than forthright.
     
  4. Major

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    Sure - the key is "may". Unless you want to go to war, or continue the path we've been on with no inspections at all and Iran enriching freely, this is the alternative. The stick is that the sanctions can be reimplemented at any time, and probably would be even harsher than the original ones.

    The same questions were true with Syria, and while it hasn't gone perfectly, a few months later we have contained and started the destruction process of huge amounts of chemical weapons that the skeptics said would never happen.
     
  5. Refman

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    The key is that you have to be willing to consider all alternatives if this goes badly. I have no confidence that we are willing to consider all options. I do not believe that any military options would be on the table.
     
  6. Commodore

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    yep, the Iranians are following the North Korean playbook of how tyrannical regimes can dupe the West and acquire a nuclear weapon, step for step
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    Obama and Kerry grade for foreign policy:

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  8. Major

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    Do you believe military options were on the table as of 2 days ago?
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    Agreed. They were desperate to try to deflect attention away from Obamacare, so they unfortunately chose this to be their tool of choice. Scary.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    Awww... look at the cute chicken hawks with rage.... No future imminent war for them to not fight in.
    Obama must have made the chicken hawks(commodore, texxx etc) filled with rage. First he teases them with a war with Syria and then shatters their dreams and then he just goes ahead pretty much kicks these chicken hawks in their nuts with these negotiations with Iran while they already are on the ground.
    It's okay guys.
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    Just kidding. No I don't. **** you chicken hawks.[​IMG]
     
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  11. g1184

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    yup. those six world powers were just dying to change the subject.

    all aboard the texx-exxxpress fail train.
     
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  12. bigtexxx

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    I normally don't respond to the low rep folks, but I'll certainly correct your mistake. This was the US and Iran. The others were tag alongs, as usual.

    You can't deflect blame, although of course a good liberal will try.
     
  13. B-Bob

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    The information available refutes this. I won't say "brilliant" seriously or sarcastically until we can learn more about the details.

    But I for one welcome diplomacy. The other approaches haven't worked out that well for us in the last 50 years or so.
     
  14. g1184

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    every single assertion in this post is false. especially the very first one, that's your bread and butter.

    the idea that autonomous countries would sit idly and allow another to negotiate nuclear talks with a country in their proximity is comical. don't let the media own your thoughts and control your emotions.
     
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    A dying regime selling out the stolen rights of its people in order to live a few more years. Let's celebrate!

    The people of Iran have suffered drastically from these sanctions and will continue to suffer as long as these jokers are still around. Meanwhile, the people in power have made an absolute financial killing off the sanctions and every Iranian on the planet knows that. All that's happening here is that the regime will do the least they can do for a temporary amount of time in order to extend their stay. At the expense, of course, of American and Iranian citizens.

    The problem in Iran is not nuclear capabilities, it's the people behind the trigger. As long as they are around, every American and Iranian citizen is failing to achieve anything. Unfortunately, it is beyond debate that the current regime would not strike any deal unless it extended their stay. They do no need any money or any assistance. All they want from any negotiations is to lengthen their stay, and that's all that's happened here, and it has further weakened Iranians' ability to get rid of these fringe Iranian leaders.

    The Iranian equivalent of Michelle Bachmann is running Iran, and the media is celebrating the successful negotiation of a partial deal with them. It would be funny if there weren't so many people suffering because of this. It's particularly horrifying because the one potentially positive facet of the sanctions was that, after Iranians would suffer immensely at the hands of these sanctions, they would feel the need to take another swing at the regime. Instead what's happened here is that Iranians have suffered, the regime has prospered, and this deal has pulled the plug on any resistance only after they went through the brunt of the suffering.

    Rouhani is the equivalent of Obama. A guy brought in to make everything look and sound nice, while changing as little of the fundamentals as possible. Iran still has the same supreme leader, and he still has the same goals he has always had. He just realized he needs to take a page out of Walter Lippman's book in order to secure his last decade in charge. He is jumping in joy right now.
     
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    For those criticizing this need to consider that sanctions, inspections and diplomacy did work in disarming Libya and in Iraq. NK blocked inspections so that wasn't a case of inspections and diplomacy not working. While the Iranian regime isn't friendly, outside of Ahmadinjad's rantings, it doesn't appear nihlistic compared to NK. Given how draining the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been there should be no appetite for more war with Iran. This deal isn't perfect and there still is a way to go but it is a good start.

    Those of you complaining about this would you prefer war instead?
     
  17. IBTL

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    To think that china russia france etc give a flying fu**ck about about obamacare or distracting from it is truly a desperate move by GOP trolls. Wow.

    Almost as ridiculous as the GOP trolls getting their directives from tel aviv.

    Yes. These are the same chickenhawks that were going on about WMDs.
    War = money for GOP.
     
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    Another problem left by gwb. Oh well we know he had to go after the guy that tried to kill his daddy.
     
  19. Refman

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    If those in power know that there is zero possibility of a military solution, what is their motivation to be forthright? They already have demonstrated that they don't give a damn about the well being of their own people.
     
  20. Refman

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    No, which is part of the problem. Until it is believed by the Iranian government that it is at least a possibility, they will continue with their charade.
     

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