ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Mavericks 11/20/2013

No, it's equally pointless to extrapolate assists, turnovers, and points as plus/minus. The whole thing was dumb which was my point in making the comparison. He failed to see the absurdity of it and tried to seriously argue the merits further.

Now he wants to talk about Patrick Beverly because any player that gets more time or shots than Lin is going to get the wrath of the fanatics.

We'll be back here next game with the same stuff about McHale and Beverley. Like the sun coming up in the morning.

 

No, what I was doing was demonstrating that on a per minute basis it wasn't bad. It's very common to take statistics on a per36 or per48 basis to normalize production over short periods of time so that you can compare production between differing on floor periods, or players with dissimilar play times on the floor. Not perfect by any stretch, but it does give some indication.

He did have a poor shooting night. Bizarre minutes rotation isn't an excuse, it's a potential reason. It was what it was.

And the only agenda was to counter the comments that Lin contributed nothing on the floor. That's addressing an incorrect argument.

It wasn't a projection, just to give an idea of relative performance per minute. If someone scores 36 points in 36 minutes, that's considered excellent production. If that same person scores 18 points in 18 minutes, that's also excellent production.

4 assists in 17 minutes is solid production by any measure.

That's not the same as talking +- (a team stat) and using that as a method to discredit a player's contributions on the floor.

That's not picking and choosing, it's countering the more extreme points of view on this board. I don't only post on Lin (though it seems he gets more of the extreme viewpoints in both directions), I post on other players and the coaching/management.

I do however apologize for using ill chosen words if you thought it was a statistical projection.

That said +- has very low correlation to individual production on a single game basis. Across larger minute sizes, then it would be more meaningful and can actually be projected assuming you do a regression.

 

This is just faulty logic. You trot you best guys out there because they can turn things around. There's no reason why 0-5 couldnt have been 5-12 if he played the whole way.

It's like saying a baseball player who went 0-3 had to be benched and actually believe there's no chance he could've finished the game 2-5 with a couple RBI's.

 

Really? It's faulty logic to double stats with double the playing time? You dont say.

 

freaking un-believable! we can only blame the coach on this one... McHale got out coached again... surprise surprise!

 

You have literally never seen people use per/36 or per/48? Have you never read a basketball article? No one doubles +/- when they double playing time that is asinine

 

just be glad it was Harden who missed the key free throw, if it was Lin we'd be here for days.

 

Who cares who's getting who

Bottom line is, Lin had a bad shooting night, he passed the ball well, but I don't remember him turning the corner at all. He looked aloof and disinterested out there.

But, we lost because our defense at the end was crap, they rattled off 11 straight makes in their own arena and came home with a wet sail. Nekminit all mchale draws up is another give it to harden being it home yolo move

 

LOL the dude you're trying to troll, his point was never to extrapolate stats. It was simply to say having a slow 1st half and projecting that towards the 2nd half and keeping him on the bench is a bad move....which is not incorrect.

The bottom line is Lin's primary role is score and make plays, they dropped 120 tonight, they didnt even need him to do any of that. Bev's role is to D up and bring that defensive intensity and grit to the team. Look at the Mavs back court and defensive collapse in the 4th...he didnt get the job done, end of story.

 

If you don't care don't comment on it lol. I am free to comment on this guy tellin him torocan got him

Lin had a bad shooting night yeah. He is not the reason we were in the game or up and he is not the reason we lost. A lot of people blamed him though so I'm just chiming in. I agree defense lost the game...well also Harden lookin for the foul/getting the infal shot

 

Not based on 17 minutes in one game. That's fairly pointless. Doubling any stat by doubling playing time is asinine. That was the point.

 

I just quoted him extrapolating the stats. Don't believe your lying eyes I guess.

Goodnight.

 

lol well I see it all the time where people look at production per minute...I see you hating a lot though so not surprised

 

Did anyone post highlights?

 

What I liked about the game:
(1) 2 of our players achieving double-double (Parsons and Howard)
(2) We showed that getting 40 points a quarter isn't a fluke
(3) We are improving on our alley oops to Dwight

What I disliked about the game:
(1) Why wasn't DMo played at all? If Asik (and Garcia and Lin) wasn't producing, I thought it would make sense to try DMo a bit.
(2) Our team focus went off in Q4 - if let's say getting 25 points/quarter is a norm, both our offense and defense is off the standards. (If we had shot 6 more points we would have won by 3, if we had contained Mavs to 25points in Q4 we would have won by 8 points). So for those of you trying to argue whether it was off/def, it was both being lack lustre in Q4.
(3) Oh yeah, also **** the Refs - they cost us some points (which seeing that it was a 3-point loss) - yeah they may have cost us the game as well.....

 

WHAT THE **** IS THIS!? from r/nba

 

i may have mad an error with the sizing.

 

What the hell happen??? I went to bed when it was 93-77 in the 3rd qt and we lost?? Can someone give me an explanation

 

its only the start of the season...be patient

 

Refs screwed us, stopped calling fouls in the 4th. Dirk & Monta couldn't miss, we started jacking up shots...etc, etc, etc...

Just take a look at the massive picture above...Marion intentional fouled Harden, twice, on the last shot to tie the game...Beverley ends up with the ball after an offensive rebound is passed out to him. He is then mugged, slapped and pushed with no call...siren sounds, game ends, Cuban puts money into referees off shore account.
That pretty much sums it up.