ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Mavericks 11/20/2013

Our coach doesn't have any idea how to use the strength of his players and also has no idea how to coach the team!If Morey will not change our coaching staff we are not going anywhere!

 

Really? People are still blaming Lin for this loss? He played 17 minutes and had 5 FG attempts!

Jeremy Lin was a non-factor in this game.

The only way you can put any blame on his shoulders is by saying that he can never miss more than 3 shots in a row early in the game, or McHale will pull him. So it's his fault that he had a string of misses and then never got to play enough to even out his shot sample and actually score points? At what point are people just putting unrealistic, superhuman expectations on the guy? Parsons was shooting blanks for the first 5 games of the season and McHale was still running him into the ground and giving him 35+ minutes per game.

At what point are people going to recognize that McHale's management of player minutes and rotations has cost this team games? Harden, Howard, and Parsons have played way too many minutes at this point in the season, especially considering that Harden and Parsons in particular have been injured during that time. Players keep getting pulled in and out at weird times - guys like Lin and Garcia get pulled in and out at random, while guys like Harden and Parsons are literally given 30-second breaks. It's ridiculous.

Also, if the team is up by 20 points and nobody is playing defense, don't leave Harden out there. Sit him down and put Lin or Garcia or ANYONE ELSE in the damn game so that the team has a fighting chance at playing defense and Harden actually gets some meaningful rest (the guy is clearly still injured - he's not going to provide adequate defense, period). Defense is one of those things where if breakdowns occur too often, people are going to give up because they feel like they are wasting their energy.

Also, I think Beverley's defense has been overrated, but he's clearly not the same guy right now. Either he's still recovering from his rib injury or he just can't sustain his level of play - either because of the minutes he's being asked to play or because he is trying to stay out of foul trouble. Lin might've been a non-factor, but I have seen almost nothing up to this point in the season that justifies Beverley getting minutes over Lin. Games like this are exactly why I have been so dubious of the "6th Man" argument - it only works when you are using a true 3-guard rotation, and it's clear that McHale has Lin on a tight leash and will happily defer those minutes to Beverley/Harden instead, even when neither of those players is pulling their weight. Otherwise, you can't expect anyone to have an impact on a game while he's playing less than 20 minutes.

 

Lin wasn't aggressive the minute he came in, because when he came in other players were hot. Even Omri Casspi was hot.

 

Did you watch the Nuggets game?

 

It's not the loss. It's the lack of a 2nd playmaker/slasher type of player. Lin didn't slash and penetrate, he just wasn't in sync. Parsons kind of did it, Parsons was kind of like Lin today until things broke down.

 

Stupid comment is stupid.

Mchale drew up a play in the first half coming out of a Mavs run and a timeout where we ended up with an Alley Oop dunk.

The players have to run em. Coaches can't control that.

 

Your description fits the OLD Dmo.
His post move in the last game (or maybe the one before, not sure) was actually quite good. Go watch that game and you will understand what I mean.

But I am not saying he is great in the post: He is not strong enough yet. He is good and he can do multiple moves in the post. But he does not yet have a GO-TO move in the post.

Yeah. Would definitely love to see you eat that..:grin:

 

In the first half, why did mchale remove lin? After playing just 5 mins in the first quarter? Makes no sense! Allow ur second leading scorer to get in a rhythm!

 

just crazy how much of a ****ty situation he's been forced into....signs with houston to be the man, houston signs harden and take a backseat, agrees to come off the bench, now getting 12th man minutes....the hell

 

problem is....he didnt get a touch for 5 mins....everyone tryed to fake PG even caspi, hog the ball and racked up 3 TOs. after the timeout it's lin's first opportunity to make play. and the game went deep same thing happened again and again. he is not a microwave type player, yes you may say it's his shortcoming but coaches should know it and use him correctly.

 

They can play a lot better, of course. I don't know anyone who would argue otherwise. The problem is they keep blowing leads against teams. And more often than not, it's because the offense gets stagnant and the defensive effort is weak at best. Occasionally it's because Hack-a-Dwight works, but honestly the only loss where that was a major factor was against the Lakers.

How many nights are we gonna see Harden waste possessions on ISO crap and the defense give up huge leads to opponents who are mediocre at best? We're not improving at all in these areas. If I just saw some signs, I'd lay off McHale, but he's not making any adjustments.

And while the Rockets can and probably will play better, again I point to the upcoming schedule. Look at it if you haven't already. The next 3 months are ugly. Even February which has historically been very favorable toward the Rockets is the opposite this season. Tons of road games against quality teams.

 

There are about 10x more people coming in and blowing up about people blaming Lin than there are people blaming Lin.

 

well said

 

absolutely, mchale looking for any reason to bench him

 

Lin wasn't pulled for his missed shooting, it was the turnover that got credited to Asik and the poor defensive rotations, plus he wasn't attacking at all, which was odd.

 

It's crazy. We shot over 50% as well and we lost. lol.

 

Yeah....Lin needed to be on the bench tonight (and I'm a LOF). However, if people still insist on blaming this game on Lin then it only means that he is THAT valuable to the team's success. If you core is that great without him, then with that much lead and time in the 4th there should be no issues closing out the game. This was probably Lin's most pathetic game of his NBA career, but you can't blame him when Casspi decides to take his PG job and do something silly with the ball.

 

Theory 1:
1. McHale waived him in 2011
2. It is Les who wanted Lin back
3. McHale did not want to admit he made a wrong decision

Theory 2:

McHale is a big guy, so he basically do not have good feelings towards small guys.

But then he chose Toney D. and Beverley over Lin, so go back to theory 1.

 

You are the person that is stupid for saying that.
Coaches have to draw good plays when it matters most. And if you can't get your players to buy in then you shouldn't be a coach

 

Lol. And there are more people posting on game threads in a loss, than in a win.... :grin: