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Solutions to the hack-a-player strategy

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Zergling, Nov 16, 2013.

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  1. kjhwang

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    Delay of game.
     
  2. khanhdum

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    then he can just stand in the back court so he doesn't get foul. if the ball has to cross the court in 8 seconds, then why would he be in the back court? but I guess a more simpler rule would be is the opposing team can only intentionally foul when the ball is across, so they can foul him in the back court if he's trying to hide.
     
  3. roslolian

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    But that's the thing, it hasnt been used before because in the past big men arent these bad at shootings fts. That's why tbe rule doesnt need changing, its the big men who need to hit their fts. Shaq shouldve been the exception, now he's the rule wtf. I mean look at the nuggs/rox game, howard just made over 60% and it already counted as "breaKing" the hack strategy. There's no reason he cant hit ft at least 70%, this is the freakin NBA. You telling me the best big men in the world cant hit ft at over 50%?
     
  4. CDrex

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    But that's exactly why this rule change would be fun - offensive team can choose to waste their chance at a good shot playing 4-on-5 in exchange for getting to run off the clock without a hack. Defense can counter by hacking a better shooter, or can crank up a trap in efforts to double team and steal the ball. Offense could choose to end the 4-on-5 at any time if they get in trouble, but at the cost of allowing the hack. Suddenly you've turned a hackfest into a rather interesting chess match, which I'd argue is vastly more entertaining than watching a team dribble out the clock (the endgame if the hack tactic is banned entirely).
     
  5. TheRealAllpro

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    he should just step out of bounds
     
  6. BigBenito

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    He tried - but he can still be fouled out of bounds. And besides, isn't that now a foul on the offense - purposefully staying out of bounds?
     
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    I'm thinking to have 3 FTs when the intentional foul is made inside the 3 pt area. This will make the defending team think twice before applying hacking strategy.
     
  8. BigBenito

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    So, fighting through screens or handchecks will always give 3 fts outside the 3 pt line as well? Sounds delightful. :(
     
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    Hey, don't steal my idea! Well, that is why it's called 3 pt area, right? :grin:
    Seriously, if you pause and think about it longer, it's not absurd.
     
  10. DFW_Rockets_Fan

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    Create a second bonus level. Over 8 fouls in a quarter, player gets one shot but team retains possession.
     
  11. khanhdum

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    yes staying out of bounds deliberately is a turnover now. the game shouldn't change just because we have howard. I think he will improve his ft's to at least 60% this year though, and that should be more than enough to prevent from seeing hack a dwight every game. hell, he's shooting 70% on the road, and some atrocious % at home. once he gets his mind right, I bet he'll be fine.
     
  12. heypartner

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    The one and only rule change that I can think (which wouldn't interfere with all the other reasons you want to fouls the man without the ball) is to give special restrictions to a player who throws in the ball on an inbounds play

    Make it a rule the the person I bounding the ball cannot be fouled until he enters the court. Currently inbounders cannot be fouled while they have the ball otherwise technical

    This just extends the rule to they can't be fouled ever until they enter the court
     
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    One problem is a legal distinction between hacking and normal offball fouls.

    A nice solution would seem to be 1 shot and the ball (when your team is on offense.) It isn't a great deal more onerous than normal 2 shot fouls, so it wouldn't do much to greater incentivize flopping, but it would entirely put an end to Hacka.
     
  14. StandontheLake

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    I like this rule also.

    Though you can't say "there are no fouls behind half-court" because then teams could foul with impunity behind half court." you could make it 2 shots and the ball behind half court.
     
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    I don't think any changes should be made, these guys just need to hit their free throws at a rate of 60%+. However, if a change was going to be made, why not let the fouled team choose to either take the free throws, or inbound the ball?
     
  16. heypartner

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    the reason to attempt to find a solution is becuase it ruins the fan viewing pleasure.
    The solution cannot ruin the existing, longstanding reason to foul a person without the ball

    That's the problem with all solutions but mine in this thread. They alter the rules too much and eliminate legitimate reasons to foul without the ball
     
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    They should extend the 2 minutes to 5.
     
  18. Aleron

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    Shaq was awful for a good decade before the hack came out (game 1 of our finals against orlando would have been a perfect time to pull the hack out), Russell? awful, Wilt? worst of them all, and there's always a handful of role player centers who are god awful at them as well.

    The league didn't really care when it was happening a few times a year to a cpl players, but it's coming out all over the place now.
     
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    The obvious solution is to make it so that intentionally fouling off the ball allows the offense to choose the shooter (from players on the floor). This way, teams can still intentionally foul to stop the clock, but we get rid of this hack-a-player BS.
     
  20. Aleron

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    You know, if Mchale and Doc got together and had Howard/Jordan hacked to the point they shot 40 free throws each on national tv, everyone would turn it off, the advertisers who paid for the last cpl timeouts would go crazy and the league would change the rules within the week
     

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