I think this is ultimately the deal, and gratefuly so. We would actually make Paul take 3s, he'd be great board wise, pick & roll defensive wise, and a great player to close games out with. I'd like to go to war with Dwight-Millsap-Parsons-Harden and then Lin or Bev. I think this was a wink-wink deal, primarily due to the interest of the Hawks in Asik, and even Horford's b****ing. Horford is a C, he has the size of the C, but continously whine's he's a PF. In today's NBA, players his size play the C position, but he's so convinced he's out of position the Hawks need to cater to it. The Rockets like Millsap, I imagine, he's a player that can get us 15/8 in 30mpg, attempt 2-2.5 3's a game off of 34-35%, and moves his feet for pick & roll D. On top of that, he's a gamer with big shots!
The problem is that it isn't the LOFs that are the problem, but the trolls that pretend to be LOFs and also LOHs at the same time. And you can bet they'll be back here each time Lin has a good game. But at least they'll be stuck in the Dish.
If we could get Ibaka for Asik that would be a great move. Averaging 15 points, 10 rebs and 2 blks this season - he had 3 blocks per game last season. So great on defense and on the blocks. On offense he is shooting over 50% in each of his 5 seasons so far - and that actually is with several midrange shots. And he actually has a 3pt shot - not a great one, but he can be a 35% shooter here. Het gets 12.3 million a year for the next 4 years, which actually is very reasonable for what he brings to the table. And as a 6 10 PF, he could actually play some C for us when Dwight goes out of the game. The only worry about him would be his disappearing act in the playoffs last season - sounds familiar? He would be a great fit for us. But I don`t think the Thunder would do that trade. Sure, it would give them lots of cap flexibility with amnestying Perkins as well - but it would make their team worse. And Asiks contract may be cap friendly, but he collects a 15m paycheck next season - and the Thunder don`t like to "throw away" money. And most of all - they get scrutinized for the Harden trade, no way they are gonna do another trade with us that makes us a lot better for financial reasons. But this team would go to the finals: Lin/Beverly Harden/Garcia Parsons/Casspi Ibaka/Jones (or DMo if we´d have to include Jones in the trade) Howard/Smith
Cynical as I normally am with negotiations, I get the feeling that we lost a lot of leverage now that Asik asked to leave. Hopefully Morey is able to play up Asik's value as much as possible. In Muroy we trust! I think you're mixing up cause and effect. Was anybody imitating LOF's before LOF's actually appeared here?
I have no worries. They don't call Morey "The Wizard" for nothing. Morey will get at least decent value, and there's always the chance that he outright fleeces another team. There's no shortage of team fan bases that are afraid when the name of Morey comes up in a potential trade. They always have the sinking feeling that even if they think they got a good deal with Morey, they really didn't... In Morey we Trust.
I like it! if we're getting people dreaming about Lamarcus or love straight up for Asik, why can't we dream about that spaniard Ibaka. What I love about him, the weakside defense! Shows hard in defending the pick and roll. And he takes pride in setting really good screens for westbrook. the only thing bad is the 12m per season with chandler soon to get paid.
First, the nice thing about Millsap for Asik is that it fits a need for both team. Atlanta needs a Center. We need a power forward. Second, Both players are good, solid, above average players that get all star consideration, but are not all stars. Third, if I am not mistaken, players have a salary around 8 million for salary cap purposes, so the deal would we easy to consummate from a salary cap perspective. If I am wrong, I am sure one of the cap experts on here will correct me.
I agree,Atlanta was always interested in Omer,but Morey wasn't in Josh Smith. Anyway I think Asik and Horford would be a Nice combo and we get a PF who is Not Elite,but pretty much good in almost everything
I would love Ibaka. But I do not think the Oklahoma City Thunder would trade Ibaka even if they got the better end of the deal. Especially not with us after the Harden trade. Their fans would probably go ballistic. That said, I do not think the Thunder would trade Ibaka for Asik straight up, as they see Ibaka as a better player.
True, it would definetly include at least one first rounder, maybe 2 and possibly Jones (if they want him) - but with the Harden trade, it would definetly have to be more of a money move than a basketball move. Trading Ibaka for Asik and amnestying Perkins would put them under the cap. This brings flexibility and lots of money saving. But if they can`t get good pieces via free agency or another trade, this would also put them out of contention.
You're forgetting the main goal of the Thunder: being profitable and avoiding the luxury tax in the long run. So even though Ibaka might be the better player, Omer might be a better long term financial fit. If they amnesty Perkins next summer, they will have to look at what contracts they want going forward. I think the Harden trade showed us that it's not about having the better player for OKC.
That is an interesting point. I never though of it from the cap perspective of the Thunder. My question is this. If the Thunder thought they were getting the better end of the deal and improving the team in the long run, as well as giving them cap flexibility, do you think they would still do a trade with Houston? Especially considering the fact that most Oklahoma City Thunder fans think they got burned on the Harden trade? * "With Houston" is the key part of the question.
Ryan Anderson is not a bad player. I would not mind Ryan Anderson. Plus you get a little bit of insurance in knowing that Ryan Anderson can play well with Dwight Howard and that they get along. Chemistry is always really important. We all know that Daryl Morey knows how to play poker, so he is not going to jump at the first deal that comes along. If the Anderson deal is the best deal that comes along, then so be it. However, I think the Rockets /Daryl Morey could do better than get Ryan Anderson for Asik. I ultimately think it will be Asik for Millsap, and like you, I also prefer Millsap over Anderson.
