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D'Ohbama!: If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. Space Ghost

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    This is Obama compounding on mistakes. People will not fall for this. They will fully understand why their insurance is cancelled and it will be blamed on ACA.
     
  2. tallanvor

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    What if Howard Dean takes up the mantle?

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  3. dmc89

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    1) Had that delay been implemented, would you have sincerely wanted this legislation to work and be substantially improved upon by Congress once issues arose? By improving the legislation, I don't mean repealing it.
    Like software, all legislation is tinkered with once it's enacted.

    Most of my conservative or libertarian friends and colleagues admit they want to see this fail - for one reason or another. One year delays, website criticisms, howling about premium rises and cancellations, and so on are just feints. There's a type of schadenfreude towards the PPACA so far; I felt the same way about the Patriot Act. That's why I referred to your political beliefs. I wasn't sure if this was the case with you.

    2) The reimbursement comment was not well thought out. My mistake.

    3) I agree that this has been a political disaster. Given how narrowly this was passed, given the intense media scrutiny in the Internet Age, given how hesitant many Americans are regarding change, given how few people are (or ever have been) knowledgeable about our health care system and the effect of uninsured Americans on it, there is no excuse for the website problems or the policy cancellations without advance notice. This should have hit the ground running from Day 1.

    As an analogy, whether you have an opening argument to the jury, or you're giving major presentations/client pitches where considerable monies are at stake, you lose endless nights of sleep before the day it'll be presented. It should be polished and well rehearsed. All questions should be brainstormed and good answers drafted beforehand.

    I hope this is fixed ASAP. I'm not sure when talks of death spirals will happen, but it's getting there if left unresolved.
     
  4. basso

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    "But it remains unclear whether insurance companies will rescind the cancellations they’re already handed out, since the Obama administration is not requiring them to do so."

    And given that the cancellation changes also have to get approved by each state...fat chance it happens before year end.

    Empty words...
     
  6. FV Santiago

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    This rollout of Obamacare is the laughingstock of the world. No greater advertisement for the ineptitude of government intervention, regulation, and control over the economy could have ever been created. Obama is setting his party back decades in the debate over the size and role of government in society. Obamacare will be pointed to by conservatives for years to come as a shining example of why you don't want to turn the economy over to bureaucrats in Washington.

    This is like a third world-run government, making up rules as they go along. Obama's executive leadership inexperience is on display for the first time, and this is a disaster for him. Worse than Jimmy Carter.
     
  7. tallanvor

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    Though it has nothing to do with whether Obama should be allowed to delay a law with a decree, I would prefer to see Obamacare fail and not make changes. It is a bad piece of legislation. No small quick fixes are going to change the fact that it limits individual choices and puts government in the middle of peoples' healthcare choices while also not lowering healthcare costs.

    even if it is 'fixed', thousands more are still gonna lose their health insurance due to the employee mandate, healthcare costs are still not going to go down, and the federal government will still be in possession of everyone's medical history.
     
  8. bingsha10

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    If the insurance companies were logistically actually able to pull this off, it would just send the price of new plans through the roof even more since the risk pool would shrink.

    GENIUS!
     
  9. robbie380

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    Thanks for the clarification
     
  10. Commodore

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    This man is a walking disaster, destroying people's healthcare, ignoring the law at a whim, changing it when he feels.

    Someone needs to (peacefully) stop him, he's doing real harm to people.
     
  11. mc mark

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    Good lord the crazy is strong in here today.
     
  12. Air Langhi

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    So the right complained about the insurance companies dropping people now they are complaining about Obama allowing the old plans?

    I bet if Obama decided to drop obamacare the right would complain about that.
     
  13. glynch

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    This is all temporary noise. It will just make it all the worse for the Grand Old Tea Party when many of their more passionate members get health insurance and realize they were lied to and they are not living in a communist gulag and there life is basically the same plus they have access to healthcare.
     
  14. tallanvor

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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/14/us-usa-healthcare-ahip-idUSBRE9AD14720131114

     
  15. dmc89

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    I appreciate your honesty.

    How would you have solved the health care problems of 1) 4-50 million uninsured Americans, 1.5) Too many bare minimum policies that cover very little, 2) ballooning costs + premiums (before PPACA was passed), 3) Americans with pre-existing conditions?

    Of course, the PPACA was passed to tackle a lot more problems with the status quo but the above are the biggies.
     
  16. Commodore

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    Obama is not a god damn dictator, he doesn't get to allow or disallow things at a whim like some tyrant. Rule of law, not rule of men. This raw weilding of power is disgusting, deciding by fiat what will or won't be covered, what can or can't be offered, and at what prices. Most maniacal, power drunk POTUS we've ever had.

    The ACA should have just been one sentence: "The POTUS has total authority over all aspects of health care". That's how the law is being used. No lefties here have expressed a single limiting principle to what he can do.

    Thank you Dear Leader for "allowing" us permission to buy and sell things from each other, your benevolence knows no bounds. Sure it's just for a year to get you past the midterms, but we are still so very grateful.
     
  17. tallanvor

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    Patient's Choice Act

    deregulation.
     
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  18. JuanValdez

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    Lol. Of course they would. They might be pleased to get Obamacare repealed, but they'd smell blood in the water and go after him hard. After all, what they really want more than small government is a Republican White House and Congress. If they can say the Democrats are weak or flip-flop, they'll be all over it.

    I'm critical of Obama for conceding on the plan cancellations because I think it's a detriment to consumers. It makes sense, but I didn't expect to be bedfellows with conservatives who make the same charge, but for a completely different motivation.
     
  19. ArtV

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    It's all empty words. And even though he might want an "undo", it's too late. Don't hold your breath on getting a letter telling you you can keep your policy for 1 more year.

    This whole process has been incompetence lead by incompetence. This will be his "Read My Lips", "I did not have sexual relations...", "Mission Complete"...they all have one.
     
  20. Air Langhi

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    How is this going to work? O I just had a heart attack let me go price shop for the best hospital to go to.
     

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