So lin is the better off the ball defender while Bev is more of hounddog on the ball rottwhiler. I see where you going and it's very valid. I did see that Bev left his man a couple of times to and try the rap around steal off the Clippers big man(Jordan) so he does gamble more by leaving his man. However I do think Bev's overall impact is more as case in point on Chris Paul. He was into Paul in the second and 3rd quarter and had Paul playing poor basketball which ineffect disrupted the Clippers offense. Bev is one of the very few guards in the league who can takeout an elite playmaker and disrupt a teams offense.
Yes- overall that's what my point is. I 100% agree that Beverly could come in and really F up an opposing PG's rhythm and mindset with his aggressive plays. he might pick up a lot of quick fouls too but that's the price you pay. I don't like that for our starting PG however. I would rather have Lin start b/c he runs the offense better by getting all of the players involved. Beverly dribbles the ball up the court and looks to pass to Harden as soon as he can. Then Harden does his one man show and if he's hot then we're ok but if he's missing his shots, we get in a big hole and quick. So by starting Lin, we run the risk of a Chris Paul or Derrick Rose getting hot, though I think that Lin's play so far this season shows that he can hold his own. But if he doesn't, what better luxury is there than to have Bev come in fresh and full of energy and go buck wild on the opposing PG? Disrupt their game and in the meantime, Howard and Parsons are already in a good flow b/c they've been getting more touches from Lin. Hope that makes sense.
Yes- Bennet has scored 1 bucket for a whopping 4.8% FG%. And I guarantee you if we take a poll on CF about who is the better basketball player so far, a ton of folks (LOH's) would say Bennet is.
Thanks for the quote and cite. I agree except that I have a problem with saying that someone is an elite defender when they only do it in spurts. For the next game, just for observation sake, let's try to see how many times Bev leaves his man wide open to go help out. We're playing Toronto, not OKC so there is no "Durant" that he needs to do that for. Then let's see how often Lin does it. In my opinion, if you're going to gamble like that, you have to be able to get back on your man when the ball swings back to him. My biggest gripe with Bev is that he doesn't do that. Like I said earlier, I also think that Lin (to my surprise) has done a better job of fighting through picks this season. So to say Bev is elite is a stretch for me. But I agree, we should be happy that we have the luxury of having both of them on our team.
I think McHale sees Lin as the guy who can come in as a sub and fill it up in a variety of ways with points and assists and help the second unit guys like what Harden does with the first guys. He also sees Bev as the perfect compliment to Harden's defensive woes. He believes Harden Provides what Lin does and having two ball dominante players out there may not be the way to go. Lets face it, when Lin plays well is when he attacks the basket with the ball or plays the pick&roll and when Harden plays is when he has the ball. He sees Lin another relentless offensive option who can keep the defense under pressure and create for the 2nd unit guys.BTW, I haven't had a cordial conversation in this place for a long time. This has been great
I really like how Bev defends. The guy is pesky and tenacious. He also has a gift of being able to get under opposing players' skins which makes them lose concentration. I agree with OP on his points on both Bev and Lin though. Lin is better in some aspects but I'm choosing Bev for this poll.
I agree- it's nice when people can have different opinions on here and not have to label folks one way or another. The way Clutchfans used to be... sigh But to your point... I totally agree that is EXACTLY why McHale has Lin coming off the bench... to keep Harden happy. But did you see how well the team was running yesterday when Harden was making those great lobs to Howard? That's what I want to see. If McHale wants to have Lin come off the bench, I'm cool with that as long as Harden really plays PG b/c Bev just can't do that too well. But if Harden is going to be jacking up a ton of shots and playing ISO all day, then we need Lin in there to actually run the plays and get Harden good open looks, as well as get the ball to other players more.
that's my point too. the cheap fouls get us reach team foul early and since then our defense intensity have to lowered to avoid giving them 2FTs for free, you must be very careful to fight for loose ball, you cant foul early to stop a fast break, and the refs can rig it by calling loose ball foul when you fight for rebound. they like to cook a close match and that's the most convenient way to directly control the score.
Beverley's defensive prowess is well known throughout the league. Just ask Chris Paul who he had more trouble with.
yep. a lot of midia "experts" are just normal sports fans like you and me with better writing skills. their sports knowledge probably is not any better than your dad--a sports fan has 30 more years of "EYETEST" experience than them, none of them are creditable. when talk about defense EXPERT, who come to your mind first? should be Pat Riley, JVG, Thibodeau, etc, not those media "experts".
Guys really need to take a deep breath and think. Bev only started less than 10 games including last season's playoff, you all seriously want to jump into conclusion that Bev can be DPOY? He's a starter now he needs to be proven he could do what he does for 82 games + PO, plus he is going to regress once scouting report kicks in. LOL if yall wanna take Bev's first 5 game and rush into conclusion, what about Lin's first 5 games as a starter? MVP?
Paul wasn't playing as well in his 2nd game with Houston as with his first, so it's not that simple. He was playing on some other planet in his first game. When Lin and Bev both played the same guy on the same day Lin did better this year. Lin played better defense in the same game as Beverley on Lilliard, Nash and Kemba Walker. Playing better defense on Lilliard to me was telling. It still doesn't mean that Lin is better on defense but those games didn't reveal some clear edge on Beverley at all.
Beverley has only played in four of the 7 games. He wasn't playing in the first Clippers game. That's why Paul was playing out his mind in the first game.
Yep, can't give Beverley full credit for his defense. Chris Paul was having an off game, couldn't have been Beverley's defense that caused that.
I know you are beverley fan. But after just one good game, you keep hyping him. Let Beverley start more game and we can get a larger sample size to see if Beverley can keep the defense up.
