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HARDEN/LIN Potential to be best back court in the NBA with right coach?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Play07, Nov 8, 2013.

  1. ColdspringX

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    Man this is hilarious, i actually laughed...
    So this is the best sg in the league? God I miss the Tmac days...
     
  2. Play07

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    rockets fans this season blame a player getting past someone as much as ive ever saw. This never last year. we never worried about stuff like this. its the NBA players set screens and i thoguth we had 48 min rim protection so players could funnle gaurds to the lane ?
     
  3. Play07

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    Agree!
     
  5. CONAN 888

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    Coach that doesn't reall coach any x-os.
    Lets the sg play pg when both lin or bev is on the court.
    coach that plays a point gurard 30+ min while shooting1-10" sticking with the cold hand
    as opposed to his sticking with the hot hand.

    Lin is not a mediocore player.

    He a good player putting up great numbers on the team who is being **** blocked by MCH for God know what reasons.

    But no one is b****n about Howard stepping out of bounds in the 3rd qtr. He couldn't go 50% from the ft line to save his own left testicle

    Anyone record the game last night.

    re-listen to the half time report. Even charles kenny and shaq says the rockets has no plays and black amish just dribbles around and iso' too much
     
  6. ipuff

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    That would make more sense than to bench a PG with a PER of 19.02
     
  7. Nook

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    I don't know why you say no one worried about it last year, the inability to handle screens and picks was a huge issue with the Rockets last year (this goes for Harden and Lin). You can have a player like Howard in the middle, and it helps, but what happens is you have everyone trying to guard someone elses man and open 3's result.

    Harden should have cut Blake off, Lin should have cut right through that mediocre screen and Howard should have not allowed Kaman to get in the position for a put back or offensive rebound ALL on that same play....

    Some of it will get better, the Rockets defense has really poor communication. The last play against the Lakers is a perfect example of the Rockets problems defensively.
     
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    It happened many times last year too, but people only start to notice now, finally.
     
  10. Play07

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    maybe i went a lil too far but you get the point, if he shoots more
     
  11. Type Raba

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    if fighting through a screen is so easy, then why set a pick at all? people here are so ridiculous. pnr is effective because it takes a TEAM effort to stop. in that gif howard just stood there. he didnt hedge on nash nor did he even step out to gasol. that was an easy pick n pop if nash chose to pass it to him.
     
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    A deficit we should never have gotten into with an inferior team.
     
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    I bet Harden got mad at Parsons for leaving his man wide open after he came over to help. Steve Blake of all people was getting the drop on Harden all night long. You know you're in trouble when your best player needs help to stop Steve Blake from blowing past him.
     
  14. Billionzz

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    Fighting through a screen.

    There isn't one player in the league that can stay 100% on his man while fighting through a screen, it is physically impossible.
     
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    The Lin - Harden backcourt had so much f'kin potential, but now, it is nothing more then a total waste.

    When I look at this backcourt, I see what could have potentially been the backcourt version of Carluis Scolandry. Where, if the left one don't get ya, the right one will. Only, a much much more potent version of what Carluis Scolandry ever was.

    A backcourt where, on one play, Harden can create and Lin can finish. On another, Lin can create and Harden can finish. A backcourt where they can easily mix and match depending on the matchups.

    And a backcourt where both could have easily made the other 3 team-mates on the court a whole lot better. One where the sum of the parts is greater than the individual parts alone.

    Now, I'm pretty much in "whatever" mode. This "best backcourt in the leage stuff" is no longer going to happen due to a decent but limited coach, and an attitude problem with one half of that backcourt. Honestly, the Rockets should leave Beverley at starter, trade Lin, and have Harden shoulder the entire offense creation burden.

    That way, everyone becomes happy at the end.
     
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    Everything about this game was ugly. Some plays more than most.
     
  17. Nook

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    You set pick because otherwise you will have virtually no ball movement. Not every screen is easy to fight through, and some offensive sets will have multiple screens. However, that screen was not a good one, the soft screens, those you have to fight through. If you do not fight through the easier screens you will end up with terrible mismatches.

    I never said it was all Lin's fault, in fact I said that Harden, Lin and Howard all played poorly on that play.

    Harden is ball watching and guarding a spot on the floor. He should know better.

    Lin let a mediocre pick take him out of position and Nash had a good step and a half on Lin, he has a clear lane to the basket.

    Howard let Kaman get position on him. If Blake or Nash get a shot off near the basket, Kaman is in a great spot for the offensive rebound and put back.

    The only one that really reacts quickly is Parsons and he nearly fouls Blake and did not have his base set.

    Much of defense is having everyone buy into a system and good communication. That is to say knowing when screens are developing, which ones to switch on, which ones to fight through and have confidence that their teammates will be where they are supposed to be. You can hide bad defenders if the communication is good. Derrick Rose is about as bad a defender as you will find, and the Bulls are an elite defensive team because there are 4 players that know what they are doing and where they should be.

    Right now the Rockets lack the discipline.
     
  18. Nook

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    You better fight through some screens or you are going to be in big trouble because in the modern NBA there are multiple screens ran all to create a mismatch and an open shot.

    Players cannot fall prey to mediocre screens or their team will suffer, that goes for Lin and Harden and to a lesser extent Beverley.
     
  19. Nook

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    Yup, the Rockets were hot garbage for the first 20 minutes of the game. There is no reason to be down 19 to the Lakers. They hit a lot of 3's, but the Rockets allowed lots of open looks.
     
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    I think Gasol fouled on the screen, if they gonna call it by the new rule they set this season.
     

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