D'Ohbama!: If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan...

CMS established the rates for payment, private insurance follows that rates. But in the real world, when you need a medical service especially something important like major surgery, you would want the very best to work on you. Don't you think the very best want to get compensated?

Why are you ok with pro athletes and entertainers getting paid but not doctors? Does not make sense to me because James Harden or Jay Z can not perform open heart surgery but a heart surgeon can.

 

This isn't true. The vast majority of people who renew AFTER January 1st and are not on self-funded group plans, or large employer plans (those don't change for awhile still) will see significant plan changes. Some may be for the better, some may be for the worse, but they are changes none the less.

 

Ye gods. Have all of the smartest and most knowledgeable conservatives been scared away from this BBS?

DUH, we know they didn't vote for it in 2009, that changes nothing about the fact that they concocted it in the 90s. The question is, why did they do a 180 on their own idea?

The program as proposed by The Heritage Foundation and then Republicans was a NATIONAL program. A FEDERAL individual mandate.

A "complete government takeover" (ZOMGBBQ!!) of healthcare would look like a single payer system where all private insurance is eliminated. There are maybe two or three small countries in the entire world that do this. Pretty much everybody in the developed world outside the US does a variation of single payer plus better coverage through private insurance if wanted.

If mandated private insurance (ZOMG government by force!!!) is a communist turd baby when forced on a nation, it's a communist turd baby when forced on a state. Be consistent.

Hey, why don't we ask one of the guys who was actually there writing the proposal from Heritage?
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204618704576641190920152366

Gingrich, Romney, The Heritage Foundation, and other conservatives were for the federal mandate before they were against it! Flip-flop!

Once a Democrat president decided to make the Republican plan a reality, they suddenly "found their values." Their own ideas, which they themselves concocted, promoted, supported, and even made law, had suddenly become a national catastrophe. A complete government takeover. In inexorable march towards communism. One that must be fought with every legislative tactic available. Wow. Who knew that republican ideas could be so dangerous for the nation? Maybe you should be more suspicious of what present day conservatives say. They may launch us into a communist dystopia.

Gingrich "changed his mind" while running against Romney, and tried to hold Romneycare against him- which if you click the link above, Romney reminds him that the idea came from Gingrich and Heritage in the first place. Romney "changed his mind" once he had to run against Obama.

One can't accuse you of changing your mind, though, esteban. You would actually have to be aware of the past to do that.

 

There is plenty of evidence that it is the GOP that engages in misinformation or just plain lies far more than the Democrats, but maybe you should just go back to sucking on the Fox Koch, they'll tell you what to think since you are obviously incapable of doing so yourself.

 

plans change all the time, my first job out of college my plan was free in 1999. when i left that job it was probably up to $100 a month in 4 years

 

You are so delusional it would be funny if it weren't so sad.

 

There has never been an entire industry plan change of this scale. Never.

The "like your plan, keep your plan" meme was simply not true. Whether that matters to you or not is up to you, but it is will undoubtedly matter to a lot of people who will be forced onto plans they don't want.

 

okay, but that doesn't mean that obama is trying. i've been following this since he was elected his first term. houston is hotbed for medicare fraud.

remember the scooters?

 

How about all the compliance nightmares for the private insurance market? Most doctors have to comply with multiple different requirements from all the insurers they deal with, it isn't like Medicare is overly onerous, it is just one more insurer.

BTW, I have asked a Medicare provider and that is what they told me.

 

the funniest thing about this argument, is that conservative go against all their principals when talking about how regulated medicare is. like the gov't should just pay these bills without due dilligence. its ridiculous. its the old people yelling at the gov't saying don't take my insurance away not knowing their insurance is the gov't

 

So now you're given all the credit to the republicans for this turd baby?
You guys just don't know when to quit. Let just say in the land of Oz, this turd baby is wildly successful and the people are loving it. Do you think your side will give all the credit to the republicans?

Yeah right!

 

Damn son, seriously, go take your meds.

 

Private insurance takes their lead from CMS. If you don't have a medicare provider number, private insurers will not let you into their networks.

I have basically 3 choices now. Forgo all insurance and do the " concierge medicine", sell the practice and work for a big hospital or quit all together.

Those of you who are still in the land of Oz will wake up one day with the turd baby insurance card in one hand and find out that no doctor will treat you, there simply aren't enough doctors to go around.

Welcome to Realville!

 

You do realize there won't be an "Obamacare insurance card," right? The insurance card will come from the private insurer from which the person purchased their insurance.

 

Just like a social security number was only meant for social security and nothing else.
It will evolve into a system closer resembling a single payer system. ACA was designed to fail.

 

did social security ever involve private retirement plans?

 

Like I've said ,one day you will be awakened from your deep slumber in the land of Oz to the land of Realville.

Don't tell me I didn't warn you.

 

One of us certainly lives in a fantasy world, but given that I am driven by facts, evidence, and data, I posit that it is not I who is divorced from reality.

 

Esteban in Realville-

 

social security number. Focus please.