D'Ohbama!: If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan...

You are comparing apples to oranges.

And it absolutely matters "how it was sold". So you are okay with politicians telling you one thing about a bill then it being totally different? That isn't okay in my book.

(And this isn't an attack on dems...repubs are probably worse with regards to stuff like this)

 

there are several issues. first the president probably knowingly lied and i have no problem with it personally.

secondly, in a this doesn't matter way again, that statement was made after passage of the law. so who cares, it couldn't necessarily stop anything.

lastly, republicans should be happy that instead of dropping private insurance companies are punishing them for weak non abiding policies, they let the PRIVATE COMPANIES offer complying policies to their customers.

 

If you repeat a lie often enough it will sound like the truth. Not a single republican voted for his turd baby. You can not compare his turd baby to Romneycare, one is a state program where the other is a complete government takeover on our healthcare.

 

Ladies and gentlemen..may I present to you inside the mind of a lefty. The end justifys the mean, does not matter if it a lie as long as it accomplishes the agenda.

Straight out of the commie manifesto.

 

the insured will greet us as liberators

 

So you're trying to rescue about 30 million(give or take a few) in order to enslave 300 million. Sounds like a great plan to me, sign me up..oops Obamacrash.org is not working!

 

what is wrong with regulation of the medical insurance market? seriously? insurance costs have gotten out of control.

one thing it kills me that the white house doesn't toot their own horn about is their crack down on medicare fraud. its saved billions.

 

Yeah, that's all we need is more government regulations

Do you know that along with the crackdown on frauds, millions of hard working and honest medicare providers are drowning in the sea of nightmarish audits and unnecessary paperworks. They are closing shop by the thousands and you know who is directly hurt by this....you guess it, your elderly grandma or grandpa. This is how the government works, in order for them to get out of the mess that they created in the first place, they punish everyone.

 

they're getting government money. i don't feel sorry for someone who had to fill out paper work to get government money. you can't just show up and get the money

 

Do you know what percentage of insurance plans don't measure up to the ACA guidelines?

98%

 

I forgot to add that they lower the reimbursement rate too. You can not stay open if you receive pittance and spend all of your time on compliance.

I know this is a foreign concept to you but if you ask any medicare provider, they will tell you the same thing.

 

98% dont comply, that's ridiculous, i think you have it backwards

 

so just because their doctors, they can charge anything for any procedure and say the gov't has to pay it.

 

medicare fraud is as rampant as ever.

 

medicare does not cover a doctor's fixed costs, and that without including salaries for staff. just an FYI. i have head this from multiple MD's who talk about losing money on every medicare patient they see

 

How Many Health Plans Are Classified As “Substandard” Under Obamacare? 98 Percent…



Via American Commitment:http://www.americancommitment.org/content/how-many-health-plans-are-substandard-98-percent

 

No he's probably right.

It's almost unheard of for a plan to have copays that count toward the plan's annual out of pocket limit. Obamacare requires that change.

Between community rating, copays counting towards the limit, the lowered limit itself, mandated maternity coverage, mandates on mental health coverage...

I doubt there really are more than 2% of plans that comply. The insurance companies had to completely recreate their product offerings for January 1st in order to comply.

United Healthcare hasn't even released individual plans for Texas for January 1st because of the rules. Prior to Obamacare they were very aggressive in getting mental health facilities in-network to help their members with costs and make them an industry leader. With Obamacare rules though it will make it impossible for UHC to offer those plans on the individual market.

 

medicare fraud is one of obama's biggest initiatives, no one talks about it. this is just a sample

 

Trust me, it is still rampant. I have quite a few friends in the legal profession who deal with this and they are constantly frustrated that the local prosecutors only go after the little guy and leave the organized crime groups who orchestrate the fraud alone, as it is a lot more work to do that.

 

It would be one thing if it was "totally different," it isn't. A small number of plans didn't meet minimum standards and were canceled by the insurers, the VAST majority of the population is seeing the same kinds of plan changes they would have in the absence of the ACA.

This "lie" hardly rises to the level of starting a war based on knowingly faulty "intelligence."