D'Ohbama!: If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan...

I love the fact the GOP is going to make this their number one issue in the next Presidential election. I can't believe they are going to make it so easy for Democrats.

 

The only people I know of who fit that category are Christian Scientists, who don't use medical innovations. Most of us will go to the ER when in an accident and the ER will treat us. Therefore, it is incumbent on us to carry insurance to pay for such visits.

 

If you go to the ER and have no insurance, everybody else pays for that. If your friend has a psychotic break, everybody else pays for that.

It really doesn't matter how it was sold at this point, the point is that you are required to carry a minimum level of insurance.

 

Tell me more. Will the highest ER users now have insurance? I'm assuming these are the poorest Americans? Will they be exempted from the tax if they cannot afford it? Who will pay for their care?

 

I would presume so, given the mandate.

Under the pre-ACA system, that may have been the case. I'm not sure that is a safe assumption under the ACA.

No, their insurance costs will be subsidized.

Their insurance will, but the point is that their care will cost dramatically less because they will go to the doctor for primary care instead of using the ER inefficiently for relatively minor ailments.

 

How big of a cost savings will there be? Is Obamacare the only solution to fix the ER issue?

 

It's the only one that's been offered. The GOP has talked about repeal and replace, but they've come up with absolutely zero to replace it. It looks like the GOP wants nothing done regarding health care

 

So you think Obamacare is the best solution to fix the ER issue? It's the best we can do?

 

Subtract the cost of a visit to a primary care physician from the cost of an ER visit and multiply that by a few million, there's your cost savings.

As FranchiseBlade remarked, it is the only solution that has been proposed in the last 20 years or so, since Clinton tried for healthcare reform. Of course, the skeleton of the ACA came from the Heritage Foundation's counterproposal to "Hilarycare," so technically it was a GOP idea, just implemented by a Democrat.

 

what a dodge

I'll assume that you do not believe it's the best solution.

 

I directly answer your question and you label that a "dodge?"

ROFL

 

You dodged my question. Claiming it's the only solution offered isn't answering my question.

 

There have been repeated requests for alternative solutions, requests which have been ignored utterly by the GOP. This would lead me to believe that the ACA was the only feasible solution given the political climate at the time. I personally believe there are much better solutions, but more crazies will have to die off before such solutions become politically possible. So, the ACA was the best we could have gotten at the time and is a nice step in the right direction.

I'm sorry you couldn't glean the above from my shorter answer, but that is on you, and can hardly be called a "dodge."

 

but you're not an advocate of replacing Obamacare? You'd prefer to move forward with a solution that you do not feel is the best one?

ok.

 

Better than the status quo, but not as good as ideal = a step in the right direction. What don't you understand?

 

FWIW, I am an advocate of improving the ACA, only crazy people are on the "repeal and replace" train, IMO.

 

Biggie, never get into a discussion with these lefties. They are incapable of telling the truth because if they do...no one will follow their failed ideologies.

The reason Barry keeps lying to us over and over again because if he tells the truth, his turd baby will die a quick painless death just like Hillarycare.

 

Of course it isn't. Back when the bill was being debated, 1/3 of people (myself included) wanted a single payer system + private option. Or at the very least, a public option. Both of these would have been better than what we have now.

Mandated private insurance is a major improvement from the previous system. Wouldn't you agree? After all, the idea came from the Republicans and was enacted by then-governor Mitt Romney.

 

This "turd baby" was invented by the republicans 10-15 years ago. Dole, Gingrich, The Heritage Foundation. And then made law by governor Romney.

If the ACA (mandated private insurance) is the ultimate evidence of a failed ideology, you better take a long look in the mirror, because the framework came from conservatives.

 

All people will get sick and die, eventually. This is one reason why healthcare does not follow the rules of supply and demand, and why a purely profit-driven solution doesn't work.

One solution is to pay for the care when people get sick. Until now, the status quo was for everybody to pitch in on ER care for the poor. Apparently this was an efficient use of resources, because the ACA, modeled upon republican's response to Hillarycare, is the Socialist Apocalypse which will enslave all Americans forever.

Another solution is to refuse care for the poor, and let them die in the street.

What is YOUR solution? Perhaps you share the views of our elected republican officials, and you have no solution.