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With 3:58 remaining and a 17 pt lead.....why

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Ultimate6thMan, Nov 2, 2013.

  1. Spiegel

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    LOL Dallas dosent have anyone remotely as talented as that version of that TMAC who scored the 13 in 33. Infact outside of Lebron or Durant no one comes close to having that kind of shot making ability. Even LBJ is debatable.
     
  2. Htownballer38

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    Those were garbage time minutes and that's all. Those players already been through the developmental program. Plus 4 minutes is not enough time to develop anybody LOL.
     
  3. Ultimate6thMan

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    I agree that many coaches make this mistake, just not the best ones. And yes, ultimately it is on the players on the court who let it happen. But a coaches MAIN job is the realize and make good decisions about who is on the court and WHEN they are.

    As I said in my original post in this thread, ultimately we won, so that's all that really matters.

    But I am pointing out areas of improvement that McHale needs to work on as a coach...the same as we all do about our players. For those that don't think this was a bad coaching decision, even though we won, I guess players mistakes don't matter either, as long as we win.
     
  4. bongman

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    I agree with the op that a lot can happen in 3 mins. You can either lose the lead OR get one of your key players injured. He trusted his reserves to hang on to the lead just like he trusted Dwight when they were doing hack a Howard. He did not pull him off and he eventually started hitting his free throws and they stopped doing that just like last year with Asik.

    A rookie coach would have had a knee jerk reaction and did something different on all instances. Building trust and confidence is also one of the coaches job.
     
  5. T-Yao

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    because they gave up and cleared the bench already

    and they don't have tracy mcgrady
     
  6. Nice Rollin

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    why? because there was 3:58 and we had a 17 point lead
     
  7. Ultimate6thMan

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    No, that is not what I was saying. He could have played Brooks, Lin, Garcia, DMo with either Jones or Smith. Or he could have not played Brooks and left in Lin, Garcia, Parson with DMo and either Jones or Smith. Or any similar combination.

    Brooks, Brewer, DMo, Jones and Smith was a freaking HORRIBLE lineup to put out there, with way too much time as well, and almost cost us the game.
     
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    My only complaint is that he should of put good free throw shooters in when the Mavs were going to foul the last minute or so. Why would you keep Dmo, Smith, Brewer and Jones in when they only shoot less than 60 percent? At least put Garcia in for Dmo. Thank goodness Jones hit the last two free throws. But it was good for the end of the bench to get some time in a crunch situation, even though I thought McHale should have waited a little bit more.

    But Dmo.. He lost Crowder so many times!
     
  9. Ultimate6thMan

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    No it has no effect on the decision he made last night. Again, I have no problem with him taking out Howard and Harden. But he should have left in at least two of Lin, Parsons and Garcia to balance the lineup to protect the lead.

    Again, Brooks, Brewer, DMo, Jones and Smith was a HORRIBLE lineup to play with almost 4 minutes left and only a 17 point lead!
     
  10. K-Low_4_Prez

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    But he did both, He protected the lead and their legs.
     
  11. Easy

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    I remember last season when McHale routinely kept the starters in the game even when it looked like the outcome had already been decided. And we all called for his head. Weird fans.
     
  12. raskol

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    He made the right decision to sit his players, especially with a game the next day.
    Then, he took a gamble continuing to sit them when the lead got dangerously close which I did not agree with but it turned out okay, and all's well that ends well.
     
  13. Ultimate6thMan

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    You are wrong again. He didn't protect the lead, we just won the game. The point of this whole thread is that the lead was lost and we ALMOST lost the game due to this substitution and drastic lineup change. I bet that lineup has not played ONE SINGLE MINUTE together as a unit in either practice or preseason until last night.

    Fortunately we won the game, but if Jones missing those last two free throws and we lose, all of you would have been agreeing with me. My whole point is that hopefully McHale realizes this mistake and doesn't repeat it again in the future when we have leads like this to close out the fourth quarter. (not that he reads this message board and will listen of course :rolleyes: )
     
  14. RedDragon01

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    So what you're saying is that you didn't really expect your question to be answered, and no matter the answer, you have decided that you're not going to accept it as reasonable?

    You already mentioned that you have never liked McHale as a coach, so what you're doing now is called trolling. You claimed to have given him a second chance, but I don't think you believe that.

    You picked an arbitrary point differential and time-remaining point to decide when a game is over. Two more minutes instead of 4? Says who? 25 points instead of 17? Again, arbitrary. Had he pulled his starters with a 25 point lead with 2 minutes remaining, and if Dallas had made a comeback to within 5, you'd be right back here complaining about his ability to coach.

    This forum gave you at least 3 very solid reasons why McHale pulled his starters, all reasonable. And you chose to dismiss them in favor of continuing your trolling.

    1. Dallas pulled their starters before McHale pulled his.
    2. This was the 1st game of 4 in 5 nights
    3. 2 games into the season, and we are already mounting injuries: Beverly, Harden, Casspi
    Bonus: At some point you have to trust your bench, which is considered to be one of the deepest in the league, to hang onto a 17 point lead against their bench with 4 minutes remaining.

    If you honestly are not trying to troll, then I suggest you re-evaluate your effort to give the coach a second chance. There have been plenty of reasons to not like McHale as a coach, but your problems with this game were not any of them.
     
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  15. Ultimate6thMan

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    I don't recall that. And I know I never said that. But routinely with good coaches, you don't take our your main stars until about 2 minutes left if that game is under 15 points or so, because with the 3 ball, it doesn't take but 3 or 4 possessions to make it a game again. Teams routinely go on 15 point runs against other teams in the NBA.

    It's time to rest your stars and starters when you have a 25 plus point lead to go and under 4 or 5 minutes, maybe, in an NBA game. Even a 25 point lead to start the 4th quarter is NOT safe to rest your stars and starters in today's NBA game.
     
  16. vlaurelio

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    first, what was the lineup against them?
     
  17. Ultimate6thMan

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    First, it is not trolling to disagree with other forum members. Maybe you need to look up what trolling is actually before you decide to use it as a basis for your arguments.

    The reasons that others have said for why he sat all the starters are valid reasons, and I posted my reasons as to why I disagreed with them. I never said they are stupid reasons, I just disagreed with them and proceeded to point out why, hence why it is called a discussion forum.

    Giving McHale a second chance doesn't mean that I won't point out mistakes that I think he makes, any more than I would not point out mistakes that players or a GM makes. As a fan that supports the team with my time and money, I have a right to voice my opinion when I feel to do so, whether it be here or with friends in person. It's just discussion.

    Giving McHale or any player a second chance doesn't mean that I won't critic their performance, it just means that I still want them on the team as of right now. Which I have clearly stated several times in this thread that I hope McHale learns from this mistake last night and doesn't repeat it again this season.

    If anything, you may be trying to troll me because of your disagreement with me...but I said maybe, not going to accuse you of that right now.
     
  18. PuzzledFan

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    If you have to ask, you'll never understand.
     
  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    We won, the other team hit a lot of 3s, and they were using their bench too, at the end, we won...and have a game the next night.

    Good job McHale.

    DD
     
  20. Ultimate6thMan

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    It doesn't matter because that lineup for us was horrendous, and got outscored, played easily. It was not a balanced lineup. This is the NBA, not pickup basketball. All of the other teams players are qualified to play basketball on the highest level in the world. You can't just throw an unbalanced lineup at them when they are all trying to prove themselves and earn a living, and expect great results because you have the better overall team.
     

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