[ClutchFans] Rockets to begin season with Beverley, Asik as starters; Jeremy Lin off bench

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McHale was talking about parts of first game this season

poster was talking about last season in general

LOL at these LOF's you all think that D12 left ISO Kobe to play with "ISO Harden"?

"ISO Harden" is a myth at best that delusional and psychotic LOF's keep on perpetuating

backup your accusations with facts not just "oh I saw harden holding the ball in games"..

 

People really calling Harden selfish because he's ball dominant lol? In that case I guess you could say the same for LeBron and CP3.

 

I think I need to become a LOF LOF hater. God some of you guys drive me up the wall and I'm a LOF.

 

Exactly! Last game was not pretty. Harden didn`t play well because of injuries, Casspi didn`t play well, Parsons at times played horrible (and didn`t pass at all). We had a ton of turnovers. But that was not, what I was talking about. First games of the season are often a little sloppy - with a new team it takes time.

Last season we had a great offense - not perfect, but a really good one. We did not a Harden ISO heavy offense. He did get a couple of ISOs per game, especially late, but overall we had a free flowing offense (as jordnnnn backed with stats). Talking about superstars, especially about scorers, Harden is one of the most unselfish ones out there and a very willing passer. And McHale installed a great offense, perhaps one of the best of the entire league.

Yeah, I love Lin and the way he handles the offense - but I still rather see the ball in Hardens hands most of the time. But if you want to argue about "ISO Harden" bring some stats to back it up.

 

Why with you people, does it have to be LOF vs HOF? Again, can't I just comment on our players? Fact is Harden tends to, NOT ALWAYS, but tends to hold on to the ball too long at the three point line when in ISO. All I am saying is he needs to get better at that. Either make his move or pass to the outlet so that rest of our players can work in TANDEM to get a efficient and open shot. Again, Harden is great player and should be getting the ball when the game is on the line. But, during the rest of the game, he needs to stop doing that.
I am in no freaking way said Harden was all about ISO player. All I am saying is "if" Harden is to ISO, he needs to stop holding the ball for too long before making his move.

Stop bringing in Lin to the freaking topic. Sick and tire of that ****.

 

I am not calling you a LOF and I am not attacking you - you raise a point and that is valid. I am perfectly fine with that. When I was replying to you, I was wondering where that point comes from, because I don`t remember seeing Harden holding onto the ball for way too long. I would simply like to see some stats or examples of that.

The problem is, that other people chime in and aren`T always very sensibel and Harden pretty quickly gets the ISO label. And I don`t think that is fair at all - and if someone tries to give him that label, I definetly want to see some statistical prove. Because LOFs like to put players like HArden down or give him a label like that to prove a point why Lin should have the ball more.

 

Unfortunately it seems a lot of you don't know the difference between an ISO and a player simply taking his man one on one.

 

so mchale never complained about ball stickiness last season?

 

Please clarify for us? What's an ISO? Isn't harden taking his man one on one while waving hands to his teammates to clear away an ISO? If not, please enlighten me....

 

Topic of Harden's ISO has been beaten to death last year in the Clutchfans. If you search for it, you'll find it. I am not going to repeat what was already said and analyze before. But, all I am saying is that going forward (this season) he would improve upon it. That's all. I am not attacking Harden in any way. I just trying to have our best player become better player and complete player.

 

I like how you explained it, but there are the extremists on both sides saying Jeremy is garbage and that Pat should be the starter because he's a better PG.

I think the Yahoo Fantasy Drafts ranking/average draft pick will prove who really is the better PG. (Not by FIT)

Lets face it Jeremy is the better PG hands down.

 

ISO is clearing a portion of the floor to isolate a defender one on one. Waiving teammates around isn't an ISO. Spacing is required for any offense to enable drives to the basket.

According to some of you, Harden ISO's all the time when the fact is it doesn't happen that often and when it does it tends to be at the end of a quarter. Harden should be taking players one on one. He's one of the best, most efficient scorers in basketball. He should be taking the most shots on the team by far.

 

I know, but it was basically a bashing without any statistical prove - and as I feel it was not warranted. As CometsWin stated, there is a difference between going 1on1 and ISOing. ISO means everybods else is standing around, usually outside the 3pt line and making roome for Harden. 1on1 can be a good option on almost every play, while others are cutting, setting off the ball screens etc. And a Harden 1on1 is usually a good play.

Again, if someone has some statistical prove that Harden was ISOing a lot, I´d like to see it (I still think LOFs are greatly exaggerating) - and I´d like to see some stats of how efficient HArden was in ISO situations.

 

LOLLLLLLLL.

 

Ummm... So you are saying Harden waiving teammates to clear space for him to be One on One with his defender is not an ISO? If you say so...

 

No, it's not necessarily. If he wants to take his defender one on one and a teammate gets too close to allow easy help defense then he should waive that teammate away. It's understanding spacing on the court, basic basketball pretty much. He's the best shooting guard in basketball, that's no hype. He should be taking a ton of shots.

 

I agree that people are greatly exaggerating Harden ISO. And Harden ISO is a good play. But it could be even better with better judgement. That was my point. At the end of the day, we are all in this together and everyone (including LOF, HOF, BOF, etc... Except Lakerfans) would love to see another Championship banner at Toyota Center.

 

How does he get this judgement? He's 24 years old dude. He gets it with the experience of making those decisions and making those plays.

 

That's exactly my point. With a year of starter experience, and numerous ISO/One on One plays under his belt, he won't be making some of the FEW mistakes (well I see as mistake, but feel free to disagree) he made last year.

 

Yeah, I think we can all agree on that. Like I said, I enjoy discussing this with you and would hope, that a lot of other posters on here would communicate like that...