Case Keenum named starting QB for Sunday's Colts game

My tipping point was after the pick-6 against the 49ers. I think that was his Brad Lidge moment. I would have sat him in the 2nd half and never looked back.

I can't put the entire 2012 swoon on him. The whole team played like crap during that 4 game span. Then this year, I wrote off the ravens game as just....well, every team lays an egg every once in while. The Seattle game was infuriating, but it felt like a fluke to me. But I fully expected Schaub to come out against SF and show the world what he was made of..........

Turns out.....he did. And that's when I was done with him.

 

I would've pulled the trigger then if I had any modicum of confidence in Yates. And now here comes Keenum, making his fellow alumni look like an idiot for doubting him.

 

fixed.

Now, continue on with your delusional self-righteousness as usual (you know...telling everybody who was clearly right how we were the stupid ones).

 

Well, Yates played okay during the preseason and this was before he stunk up the joint against the rams. At the time, bringing him in seemed like the logical next step, assuming you wanted to sit Schaub.

 

I think a big factor here is that they didn't think much of Yates; they saw him as a capable back-up, nothing more. Benching a struggling but healthy Schaub for Schaub-Lite... I just never thought that was a viable choice, other than to temporarily shake things up. But it would have been business as usual very quickly, and I can promise you: they recognized that.

I think it's easy for us to call for heads from a safe distance - but to go in and actually rip Schaub's team away from him as Kubiak has had to do... I mean, this is why his players love him, I'd wager. He's patient and rational and seems to genuinely care about them - sometimes to a fault; but I don't have a giant issue with it. It's one of the reasons we've all been warmly remembering Bum the past two weeks.

 

In this conversation, I don't think points is the be-all and end-all. During that 22 game stretch you reference, everything was working for the most part. Defense was more stout than it is now, running game was more effective, and the play action game was working. Contrast that with the way the team finished last year and have started to play (albeit with flashes of great play in spurts in 3 of the first 4 games), and it tells a different story.

 

Well said. The lack of protection has been a major reason for the texans downfall lately (thus schaub's). It's like a domino effect. Even though case has more mobility, it was still a lack of pass pro that sealed the loss.

 

So... IOW, until recently, it wasn't a team willing "to run the ball, punt, and play field position"? Yeah, that was my point. Their offense, between 2009 and the first 12 games of 2012 (minus Yates starts in 2011), was a remarkably successful unit.

 

I think we're debating semantics. I'll say the team was successful in the time period you cited due to a combination of things - offense included. But Kubiak could call a different game when the running game was working (which it really isn't now) and teams would sell out on the play action. It's a different paradigm now, the defense isn't what it was, the run game isn't what it was, and certainly the passing game (and the guy at the helm) haven't played up to their previous standard as well. I never said the Texans couldn't score, the crux of my argument is that the gameplan was different because you could stop the run, pressure the quarterback, run the ball, and hit plays in the passing game. None of those things holds true today. Can we agree with that?

 

yea except peyton manning was interested to come to houston. Morey would have made that move for sure.

 

I think signing an aging hall of famer coming off a career threatening injury to a league-leading contract is more of a Rick Smith move than a Daryl Morey move, to be honest. Although who knows, maybe Daryl will go chasing Kobe at the trade deadline.

Can't say for certain that it was plausible though. And we've yet to see how Manning's tenure will end anyway. If you sign Manning and have to dump some combination of Foster, Brown, and Cushing due to cap concerns, that's a steep price to pay if there's not at least a guaranteed AFC championship in it for you, if not a Superbowl.

Of course, this is ignoring the chorus of idiots who wanted Schaub hung after 2008, 2009, and 2010, when there really wasn't even an inkling of a viable alternative, let alone an upgrade.

 

And with Peyton, playoff success is not only not guaranteed, it's highly unlikely, based on his career playoff record (which is awful for a player with career accomplishments).

The Broncos are paying Manning an *insane* amount of money - $20MM this year. Even if he showed up at Gary's house and slept on his porch... the Texans didn't have the money to sign him without setting fire to the very team that supposedly made the Texans attractive to Manning.

 

Once again, McNair should have fired Kubiak after this game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Houston_Texans_season#Week_1:_vs._New_York_Jets

The Texans came out, rolled over on their back and wagged their tail. It was sickening, and it happened after an entire training camp of soundbites promising that things were going to be different, that there was urgency, and focus, and every player on the same page, blah, blah, blah. Then they played like the didn't give a ####, and that was the game where Kubiak was exposed as a joke. The game where I realized the locker room didn't respect him or listen to him. The game where McNair should have realized the same thing.

Yet there are people who still defend this exposed coach, who point to winning records the last two seasons without admitting how much of that was Wade and Arian Foster. Whatever. Kubiak is fool's gold, just like the last two seasons.

 

Here you go again. Give it up already dude - there aren't even any straws for you to grasp at anymore.

The Texans are currently 2-5, their window is on the verge of being slammed shut, and they are desperately turning to an UDFA as their starting QB. Whatever incorrect arguments in opposition to signing him you beat a dead horse about 1.5 years ago, you are killing your credibility by continuing to attempt to make in hindsight.

Even if your prayers are answered, and the Broncos don't win any rings while Manning is there, there is value in enjoying regular seasons and having real hope of winning a Super Bowl.

Hell, you yourself are the one with the "rings aren't everything" stance, so I'm not sure why you, of all people, are using "rings or bust" as your argument against signing Peyton. You think if you were a Broncos fan, you'd look back at the Peyton era (passing records galore, and getting to watch possibly the best qb of all-time, and all) with regret, if it didn't include a championship?

Stick to the "we don't know with 100% certainty that Peyton wanted to sign here" argument. It's the only one that holds any water at this point.

 

LOL, no one fires their coach 1 game into the regular season. Come on.

I would have fired him after the 2010 season, FWIW.

 

He absolutely deserved to be s***canned after 2010. IIRC, Hey Now was literally the only person advocating he be retained for one more season. After Wade was hired, I grew much more optimistic that Kubiak's liabilities as a HC would be compensated for, and they were. But now that Kubiak's normal strength has turned into a weakness, the case for keeping him is growing ever weaker.

 

I would have. It would have been bold, but it would have sent a message that if words aren't backed up by action, you're job isn't safe. Kubiak, and the entire team, were very specific that offseason about bringing their A game every Sunday, about focus, about commitment, not just your typical soundbites, there was a unified message that they clearly wanted the public to hear, and then they came out and didn't even try, no effort, no focus, no intensity, no brain, nothing. Same old Texans. So, yeah, I think McNair should have fired Kubiak immediately after the game, but that would have sent a message of accountability, and I don't think McNair gives a #### about accountability or winning as long as the cash is rolling in.

 

I advocated keeping him *if* he brought in a top-flight defensive coordinator. (I wanted Marv Lewis, who looked like he was on the outs in Cincinnati at the time.)

 

I think a more accurate statement would be you advocated keeping him *and* bringing in a top-flight defensive coordinator. I remember that you didn't entertain the notion of cleaning house, and your first and only preference was to retain Kubiak and bring in a new DC. Not sure where you would draw the line at "top flight" (I can't imagine you disagreeing with whatever hire they made and suddenly advocating for firing Kubiak, you'd obviously give them at least one season to prove themselves), but as I already started, Wade was one of the few hires that gave me hope going into the next season instead of having me sit and sharpen my pitchforks all off-season in anticipation of Kubiak's inevitable failure.

 

Oh, hey, everybody: it's cardpire! Awesome. I’m a bit out of practice... do I have time to dislodge my brain and level the playing field?... Great; thanks…

Let’s see… where should we start.... how about here: I didn't bring it up. I wasn't even the first to remind everyone that signing Manning was never a feasible possibility.

And if I need to give "it" up already, what does it say about the guy who seamlessly dredged up what you admit is a 1.5-year old thread in which dozens of posters took turns bludgeoning you? Do you need to talk about it, cardpire? You seem really, really bitter.

Really? I am? Pretty sure my opinion at the time (which I had to repeat over and over and over again because it was apparently too complicated for you to understand) was that Manning, a career playoff failure, didn't guarantee the Texans would advance any further in the playoffs than they would with Matt Schaub. And guess what? That's sorta, kinda *exactly* what happened - so what incorrect arguments are ruining my credibility?

(Speaking of inaccuracies, for s***s and giggles, here are some hilarious posts of yours that I enjoyed reading in hindsight):

I don't pray, and if I did, I sure as heck wouldn't pray for that - but you didn't enjoy last year's regular season in which the Texans finished 12-4 and beat PeePee Manning and his Broncos? If not, I feel sorry for you as a fan. I really do. It ended terribly – but I’ll never term a 12-4 season a “disappointment.”

That was *your* argument, cardpire; that Manning was a guarantee of taking this team to the next level.